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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:11 am 
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If they're good enough they'll make it Mark. It would be nice to see a team of Plymouth area boys playing for Argyle in the football league. Reality is it will never happen. Youth talent locally is hoovered up by the premier league teams, used and discarded. Anyone left either has parents with a strong will, is a late developer, or won't be good enough. Argyle will always be better off trying to pick up the discarded youth products of the 2 top-tier divisions than trying to capture their own. The game has moved on.local Our youth products will be League 2 at absolute best, more likely non-league and SWPL level. As we move up the pyramid we may be able to attract kids whose parents are currently signing them for the likes of Bristol City, Southampton, Chelsea or Arsenal but in reality even then the chances of success are VERY limited.

Even if one romantically holds on to the notion that we can produce a squad wholly on youth talent there is only a limited space in the squad:
first team squad of 26,
Playing age 18-30 - 13 years,
2x players each age band

youth team squad of 15
Playing age 15-17
5x players each age band

every year 3 youth products will be discarded and only 2 make it. That's with even the most optimistic view of youth progression.

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If they're good enough they'll make it Mark. It would be nice to see a team of Plymouth area boys playing for Argyle in the football league. Reality is it will never happen. Youth talent locally is hoovered up by the premier league teams, used and discarded. Anyone left either has parents with a strong will, is a late developer, or won't be good enough. Argyle will always be better off trying to pick up the discarded youth products of the 2 top-tier divisions than trying to capture their own. The game has moved on.local Our youth products will be League 2 at absolute best, more likely non-league and SWPL level. As we move up the pyramid we may be able to attract kids whose parents are currently signing them for the likes of Bristol City, Southampton, Chelsea or Arsenal but in reality even then the chances of success are VERY limited.

Even if one romantically holds on to the notion that we can produce a squad wholly on youth talent there is only a limited space in the squad:
first team squad of 26,
Playing age 18-30 - 13 years,
2x players each age band

youth team squad of 15
Playing age 15-17
5x players each age band

every year 3 youth products will be discarded and only 2 make it. That's with even the most optimistic view of youth progression.

mark,you that our youth players will be league two at absolute best but i think cooper will exceed this with us.luke said that cooper would "retire" him.

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I'd loved to be proved wrong Steve - give it two years and Cooper won't be with us.

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Of all the youngsters offered contract Hodges was the one that surprised me, not because of his ability but at U18 and SWPL games towards the end of the season there was talk that he was putting his football career on hold to go to university.

As for Mark’s point about being trained separately this is what happens with other Clubs development/U23 squads.


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I'd loved to be proved wrong Steve - give it two years and Cooper won't be with us.

mark.i feel you have something against locally born players doing well at argyle.a strange reluctance to encourage.

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I'd loved to be proved wrong Steve - give it two years and Cooper won't be with us.

mark.i feel you have something against locally born players doing well at argyle.a strange reluctance to encourage.


Nothing of the sort Steve, just calling it as it is. Just because they're local doesn't mean they're good or should get any special treatment. When I see one with any talent, I'll call it.

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Steve Evans wrote:
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I'd loved to be proved wrong Steve - give it two years and Cooper won't be with us.

mark.i feel you have something against locally born players doing well at argyle.a strange reluctance to encourage.

I think it's called a dose of reality. You would struggle to find a team that survives on local talent for more than a minority of players.

The more so the higher up the league you go. The days of a Carragher playing his entire career for his local side are in the romantic past.

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I'd loved to be proved wrong Steve - give it two years and Cooper won't be with us.

mark.i feel you have something against locally born players doing well at argyle.a strange reluctance to encourage.

I think it's called a dose of reality. You would struggle to find a team that survives on local talent for more than a minority of players.

The more so the higher up the league you go. The days of a Carragher playing his entire career for his local side are in the romantic past.


So what happened with Ferguson's man utd team of local talent? Don't tell me a one-off.....


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I'd loved to be proved wrong Steve - give it two years and Cooper won't be with us.

mark.i feel you have something against locally born players doing well at argyle.a strange reluctance to encourage.

I think it's called a dose of reality. You would struggle to find a team that survives on local talent for more than a minority of players.

The more so the higher up the league you go. The days of a Carragher playing his entire career for his local side are in the romantic past.


So what happened with Ferguson's man utd team of local talent? Don't tell me a one-off.....


How long ago? I doubt you will ever see it again.

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Should it say pro-development?


My understanding is they have dropped that title but it is that in all but name.


Bored off mark, it's not is it...

THE fresh injection of talent into Argyle’s professional ranks has continued, with young defender Harry Hodges signing his first senior contract.

Harry is one of five of last season’s Academy Under-18s to have been offered pro terms by the club, alongside Luke Jephcott, Ryan Law and Cameron Sangster, with goalkeeper Michael Cooper having already signed a two-year deal.


And why was Mike Coopers deal announced months before the others? I’m sure his is what would be considered a professional offer as we would understand it to be.

Let’s see if Harry Hodges and the other 2nd year apprentices receive squad numbers. (The last year before Development Professional contracts came into being,) BOTH players in Callum Hall and Louis Rooney were registered with squad numbers from the off, since PD have come in it has been on a as and when needed basis. As far as I’m concerned if they don’t have squad numbers from the start then they aren’t truly on professional contracts, as we would understand the term of “first year professional.”

We are aware they will train with a designated coach, so completely separate from the first team. As has been the case the last two seasons that DPs have been in. Only now, they may actually be more likely to lose the commitment of training with the first team once a week.

They will play in the Central League and the SWPL, like the development professionals have been, they have been entered in something like two new reserve cup competitions?! Which of course, could mean as much as two extra games, they aren’t even guaranteed to play in given, how many squad players we have signed who will need “fitness.”

I fail to see what is new and improved about these deals and I fully expect all the second year apprentices to sign them, I support that, they have to exasperate every opportunity of making it they get. On the other hand; Batts, Rooney, Fletch, Bentley, I respect their individual circumstances and will understand, respect and support their decisions either way.

With regards to Harry Hodges, he is his own man, I believe he is there on merit and I think his surname will be more of a hindrance than a help, it’s even unfair to hope he Evan does “half as well as his dad.” To even do that he would have to go on to be the best player we have produced this millennium! He has just got to do his best to make football pay the bills for as long as possible.

Now he is here he has my full backing, I really want to see him make it, break in to the first team and become a first team regular and a club legend, however the lack of positive reports, some where on about. I don’t think it’s a case of no one thinking he can’t make it, it’s just a case of (and I personally, believe) that Bill Palfrey and (in particular,) Sam Ryan were both better and more exciting RBs to watch. That said I certainly don’t think Harry is any worse than Mason Hughes, who as far as I’m aware had no connections at the club, therefore I believe Harry is there on merit and has hit good timing coming out of his apprenticeship with what they are looking at first team positions.

That said I would be very surprised if we see these boys getting even the limited chances those on “proper” professional contracts got, such as River Allen, Aaron Bentley and Louis Rooney got. I expect they will be more on the Miller, Steer, Palfrey and Calver path. Hope I’m wrong but I won’t hold my breath.


Please give it a rest, jeez. :eek:


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I'm sure, as in my case, that people say things like 'if you're half as good a player as your dad' as an endearing comment rather than one of pressure.

By the way, Mark Smith and I are sponsoring Harry, for the same reason, one of respect to hid father. It's how some of us fans like to think.

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briangreen wrote:
Shadowknight wrote:
Steve Evans wrote:
Mark Pedlar wrote:
I'd loved to be proved wrong Steve - give it two years and Cooper won't be with us.

mark.i feel you have something against locally born players doing well at argyle.a strange reluctance to encourage.

I think it's called a dose of reality. You would struggle to find a team that survives on local talent for more than a minority of players.

The more so the higher up the league you go. The days of a Carragher playing his entire career for his local side are in the romantic past.


So what happened with Ferguson's man utd team of local talent? Don't tell me a one-off.....


Schmeichel - Gladsaxe, Denmark
Neville - Bury, England
Johnsen - Sandefjord, Norway
Stam - Kampen, Netherlands
Irwin - Cork, Eire
Giggs - Cardiff, Wales
Beckham - Leytonstone, England
Butt - Manchester, England
Blomqvist - Tavelsjo, Sweden
Yorke - Canaan, Tobago
Cole - Nottingham, England

All local lads....

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To be fair, Bury IS Manchester Mark. :greensmile:

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