What is going on... I don’t understand

Firstly Im 100% behind Derek Adams. He deserves full backing after the last 3 and a quarter years he has given us. I am confused however on him playing Freddie up front as a sole strike who is a very similar type striker to Reuben reid in that he likes to get in behind and run the channels. The reason Reuben left was because Derek insisted Reuben just operated in a small area between the centre backs just to pin back the opposition so that at that time Carey, Jake, Wylde, Tanner or whoever could do their thing in behind. This is exactly what Taylor does and did yesterday when he came on which immediately allowed Lameiras and carey to start dictating the play. Im not saying drop Freddie but could he not play the Jake Jervis role in behind/on the wing as was so successful. We should go back to what made us successful and got us promoted in the first place (4231)
Ness and Songo/Fox as the 2 and Lameiras/Carey/Ladapo as the 3 with Taylor pinning back the centre backs. We would soon start motoring up the league and pressure would be taken of the defence as when we just have Freddie up top we are exposed to often at the back as the ball comes back far too early.

I hear budget and cheap and Brent in so many posts but wonder how they know? Is player budget published and compared anywhere ? Is there a spending table? Serious question?

If there isn’t, let’s just assume our budget is mid table? I imagine Carey is our top earner. Foxy must be on a whack being former prem man. Ladapo wouldn’t have come here unless the wage was competitive. Wootton was once on Championship wages. We know what these youth players get paid at a Premiership clubs and they won’t have wanted a big cut in pay. So Smith Brown and Moore won’t be cheap either. So I don’t buy the budget argument.

Who are the mid table teams who have household names on high wages who I’d recognise and who are the players we’re missing out on wage wise?

Tugboat":30rb6651 said:

greenking83":30rb6651 said:

Superguy":30rb6651 said:

greenking83":30rb6651 said:

My god... some people have very short memories.
Yes the current crop of players is poor but to wish for the likes of Mellor, Miller, Tanner and Hartley is fickle beyond belief.

I would agree that times are tough but the night is darkest before the dawn and whilst they arent getting the results required the performances do at least have the embryo of a decent side.
(Defensive calamities aside)

Glass half full.... maybe

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Your glass must be half full of some pretty strong stuff mate if you think we have the makings of a decent side!!

Cheers?

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Just trying to highlight the knee jerk reactions of some.
To say this is the worst team they have ever seen.... did they not watch any of John Sheridans stint? Or Paul Mariners team?

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That was different. Different circumstances surrounding the club. We were struggling off and on the pitch.

It’s was Adams decision to overhaul the squad and his signings. It all feels money related and when you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

How we can moan about budgets when he still has Wylde, Ainsworth, P Grant and Dyson havung not had a look in even thou we’re struggling as much as we are goes to show how poor his recruitment has been. He’s gone for quanity over quality.

The resigning of Fox is still baffling.

So the wages of Fox, P Grant, Ainsworth, Wylde and Dyson would equate to a decent figure. That figure could bring in a real pair of quality players to give us that edge through the middle or composure up top.

Cheap cheap cheap

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Ok. Thats a fair point. But is it then fair to blame Adams for the signings? Is this the best he could get with the funds available.

People can chew over that all day long and never know the answer.
Fact is, like somone else has mentioned, Wootton and Canavan have decent records, Moore and Smith-Brown are premiership youth players.

The new contracts for Wylde and Ainsworth is odd and i cannot explain/understand those!!

Fox was instrumental last season but finds himself behind Yann Songoo, which would do enough damage to your self belief to take a walk off a cliff

I agree with a lot of the comments, but I dont agree that the quality in the squad is worse than half the other squads in the league - that's where management and coaching come in!

It's galling to see the start we have made and particularly that if the three teams we were promoted with. That said nothing is decided after 8 games. We have drawn 3 and lost 5 - in the context of last year's
W19 D11 L 16 there's a long way to go! I must admit, the prospect of getting anywhere near that and Argyle winning 1 in 2 from now on in, looks very remote!

One of the things that has continued to strike me is the lightness of our coaching staff now that Brewster has left. Most clubs have specialist gk, defensive and attacking coaches. When you look at our backroom, there is no one of any magnitude who has created or scored goals to work with the first team.

Adams isn't going anywhere. However, the fact we did it last year does not mean it will happen this.
Adams has got to get the players going out to win games, not just not to lose. This league has shown time and time again the importance of the first goal. We have got that three times, and failed to build on it- but 2 of our points came from scoring first. We need to be on the front foot.

Things don't change just because you say they will or they always do. Whatever their managers say, Charlton and Donny (and their fans) will be looking at us as two of their easiest fixtures to date. We must use that to our advantage.

This malaise stretches back to last season. We were dreadful at Charlton and they were in a poor spell themselves but the new manager fired them up and they took the game to us.

Adams needs to instil a similar sense of urgency and pride...and quickly! We must be at least 9 points behind where a conservative target would have put us. The 38 game season must start next week and a win in September must be the imperative.

arrythewurzel":tiv5jb0c said:

I hear budget and cheap and Brent in so many posts but wonder how they know? Is player budget published and compared anywhere ? Is there a spending table? Serious question?

If there isn’t, let’s just assume our budget is mid table? I imagine Carey is our top earner. Foxy must be on a whack being former prem man. Ladapo wouldn’t have come here unless the wage was competitive.

Who are the mid table teams who have household names on high wages who I’d recognise and who are the players we’re missing out on wage wise?

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Yesterday. Blackpool. Jay Spearing. Ex-Liverpool and Bolton.

Last season we were in the same position, most of us could see a team out there despite the defeats. We had one of many things back then we dont seem to have now, I know some of the defeats and draws were unlucky, however we had SPIRIT ! This seasons Argyle seem to completely lack that ingredient. When you have a guy at the club who bleeds green blood ( according to himself I might add ) why is this attitude not transferred onto the pitch ?

Where are the leaders ?

Spirit and attitude can make up for a lack of skill to a certain degree. Where is it ?

Give me a side that goes down fighting any day of the week over the one we have seen so far this season !

Pete

It’s far simpler than you’re all trying to convolute

Team is very poor

Superguy":zfavniex said:

arrythewurzel":zfavniex said:

I hear budget and cheap and Brent in so many posts but wonder how they know? Is player budget published and compared anywhere ? Is there a spending table? Serious question?

If there isn’t, let’s just assume our budget is mid table? I imagine Carey is our top earner. Foxy must be on a whack being former prem man. Ladapo wouldn’t have come here unless the wage was competitive.

Who are the mid table teams who have household names on high wages who I’d recognise and who are the players we’re missing out on wage wise?

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Yesterday. Blackpool. Jay Spearing. Ex-Liverpool and Bolton.

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One player and I raise you : Ladapo ...

I heard Brent sanctioned new improved contracts for Threlkeld & Bradley but the rest of the board overuled him for financial reasons. If this is true then that decision is criminal given the performances of the clowns we have replaced them with.

Wooton is an absolute liability.
Edwards/Canavan are reminiscent of Titanic trying to do a u-turn.
Moore & Riley aren’t fit to clean Oscar’s boots.

Juan":uj17swnb said:

I heard Brent sanctioned new improved contracts for Threlkeld & Bradley but the rest of the board overuled him for financial reasons. If this is true then that decision is criminal given the performances of the clowns we have replaced them with.

Wooton is an absolute liability.
Edwards/Canavan are reminiscent of Titanic trying to do a u-turn.
Moore & Riley aren’t fit to clean Oscar’s boots.

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How do they over rule him? Doesn't he have the majority?
( I agree with your assessments of said players).

foreigner":g4kibs10 said:

Juan":g4kibs10 said:

I heard Brent sanctioned new improved contracts for Threlkeld & Bradley but the rest of the board overuled him for financial reasons. If this is true then that decision is criminal given the performances of the clowns we have replaced them with.

Wooton is an absolute liability.
Edwards/Canavan are reminiscent of Titanic trying to do a u-turn.
Moore & Riley aren’t fit to clean Oscar’s boots.

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How do they over rule him? Doesn't he have the majority?
( I agree with your assessments of said players).

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I’m afraid I don’t have info on the inner workings of argyle board authority/decision making just stating what I was told.

I also think the loss of Vyner and the pace he provided compounds our defensive issues.

arrythewurzel":2ada2ht8 said:

I hear budget and cheap and Brent in so many posts but wonder how they know? Is player budget published and compared anywhere ? Is there a spending table? Serious question?

If there isn’t, let’s just assume our budget is mid table? I imagine Carey is our top earner. Foxy must be on a whack being former prem man. Ladapo wouldn’t have come here unless the wage was competitive. Wootton was once on Championship wages. We know what these youth players get paid at a Premiership clubs and they won’t have wanted a big cut in pay. So Smith Brown and Moore won’t be cheap either. So I don’t buy the budget argument.

Who are the mid table teams who have household names on high wages who I’d recognise and who are the players we’re missing out on wage wise?

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Adams has been quoted in an interview put in the Herald as saying he now had a top ten budget this season.

If that’s true then I really think if Adams is worth his salt we really should be no lower than 14th this season. Still a lot of pts to play for but U must admit I’m worried.

greenking83":3uepayo5 said:

My god... some people have very short memories.
Yes the current crop of players is poor but to wish for the likes of Mellor, Miller, Tanner and Hartley is fickle beyond belief.

I would agree that times are tough but the night is darkest before the dawn and whilst they arent getting the results required the performances do at least have the embryo of a decent side.
(Defensive calamities aside)

Glass half full.... maybe

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I'd happily have Hartley instead of Edwards and/or Wootton.

Cobi Budge":208ejwfu said:

greenking83":208ejwfu said:

My god... some people have very short memories.
Yes the current crop of players is poor but to wish for the likes of Mellor, Miller, Tanner and Hartley is fickle beyond belief.

I would agree that times are tough but the night is darkest before the dawn and whilst they arent getting the results required the performances do at least have the embryo of a decent side.
(Defensive calamities aside)

Glass half full.... maybe

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I'd happily have Hartley instead of Edwards and/or Wootton.

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I’d even have wotton in his current state ahead of our 3 first choice CB.

arrythewurzel":3hgco3e6 said:

I hear budget and cheap and Brent in so many posts but wonder how they know? Is player budget published and compared anywhere ? Is there a spending table? Serious question?

If there isn’t, let’s just assume our budget is mid table? I imagine Carey is our top earner. Foxy must be on a whack being former prem man. Ladapo wouldn’t have come here unless the wage was competitive. Wootton was once on Championship wages. We know what these youth players get paid at a Premiership clubs and they won’t have wanted a big cut in pay. So Smith Brown and Moore won’t be cheap either. So I don’t buy the budget argument.

Who are the mid table teams who have household names on high wages who I’d recognise and who are the players we’re missing out on wage wise?

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Your argument is that no ones knows the budget, yet you use your perception of players wages to make your point, your using the very same budget to ague about a budget you don’t believe!