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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:32 pm 

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Prior to the UK and the ROI joining the EU, citizens of both countries had the right to live or work in the other country under the Common Area Agreement, whether this will be reintroduced post Brexit is unsure as it would give Irish passport holders special treatment and could give rise to people applying for Irish citizenship or forged passports to gain entry to the UK.
Just one of the many Irish issues causing problems with Brexit.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:33 pm 

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MarkMatthews wrote:
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European players and non European players would probably be subjected to work permits.

Depends on the deal or non deal that is agreed with the EU regarding people coming here to work.

At the moment any EU citizen can here to work, would all change in the future, as all the Brexiters wants to all the Johnny Foreigners’. So non English players(Carey, Songo’o, Lameries), MAY have to get a work permit, but having resided here for a few years, may be Ok.

All depends on the deal agreed, So have rely on May and her cronies.

One of the problems for voting for Brexit


Or a pro for voting Brexit that players (Rooney, Bentley and Battle, et al,) who have an affinity with the club, area and fan base, will see their opportunities increase, over some foreign mercenary.


So you want a team solely made up of players from this area, so no players from other parts of the country, of the country, like Wales, Scotland and N Ireland.

Sorry, Mark, you have to adapt to the modern world, didn’t you like the contribution of people like Friio, Larrieu


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:47 pm 

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There is already the introduction of the new rules on home grown players this season.
Looking at the team last week, Sawyer is the Club produced player.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... ext-season

Under these rules, Lameiras is classified as home grown but Carey and Wylde aren’t.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:54 pm 
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Under a no deal British withdrawal, we will finally be free to set quotas on the number of foreigners playing.

Me personally, I would like to see a limit at two per squad, one in the starting XI. As things stand this would allow us Carey starting every week and Lameiras on the bench. This will only be good for the National team. Eventually I would like to see 6/11 of every starting XI, having been born within (a nationally negotiated, with the PFA) area of the clubs stadium.


You would like to see one of our best players forced to sit on the bench? The England team is just fine even with the amount of foreigners in the country - they have massively raised the standard which has befitted English players. If young players are good enough they will get selected, look at Phil Foden at Manchester City. It’s the same at Argyle too - the players who haven’t made it simply haven’t been good enough.


If it benefits someone from around here then yes, I’m happy to see someone from outside on the bench. It is laughable, that under an effective closed shop that the PFA enjoy, that every other TU in the country would die for, that wages and opportunities for our own kind are so low, whilst foreign players throughout the leagues dominate, on the big bucks.

Hopefully Brexit will readdress this though I won’t hold my breath.


"Our own kind", "a foreign mercenary", do me a favour you are vile...

What is it that suddenly makes anyone from abroad a mercenary then? Was Alex Battle not a mercenary for chucking a contract offer back in our face in favour of Bolton, how far did "affinity for the area" go in that decision process, saw the money and tried running for the hills.

The day football banishes players based on their nationality or ethnicity is the day I stop watching football. Sport is about breaking down social barriers and bringing people together for the love of the game we all play. The day that dies in favour of poxy nationalism or a weird fantasy that if we ban all the foreigners suddenly England will become some footballing powerhouse is the day the game in this country truly dies.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:02 pm 

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Ollieargyle9 wrote:
MarkMatthews wrote:
Herts_Green wrote:
MarkMatthews wrote:
Under a no deal British withdrawal, we will finally be free to set quotas on the number of foreigners playing.

Me personally, I would like to see a limit at two per squad, one in the starting XI. As things stand this would allow us Carey starting every week and Lameiras on the bench. This will only be good for the National team. Eventually I would like to see 6/11 of every starting XI, having been born within (a nationally negotiated, with the PFA) area of the clubs stadium.


You would like to see one of our best players forced to sit on the bench? The England team is just fine even with the amount of foreigners in the country - they have massively raised the standard which has befitted English players. If young players are good enough they will get selected, look at Phil Foden at Manchester City. It’s the same at Argyle too - the players who haven’t made it simply haven’t been good enough.


If it benefits someone from around here then yes, I’m happy to see someone from outside on the bench. It is laughable, that under an effective closed shop that the PFA enjoy, that every other TU in the country would die for, that wages and opportunities for our own kind are so low, whilst foreign players throughout the leagues dominate, on the big bucks.

Hopefully Brexit will readdress this though I won’t hold my breath.


"Our own kind", "a foreign mercenary", do me a favour you are vile...

What is it that suddenly makes anyone from abroad a mercenary then? Was Alex Battle not a mercenary for chucking a contract offer back in our face in favour of Bolton, how far did "affinity for the area" go in that decision process, saw the money and tried running for the hills.

The day football banishes players based on their nationality or ethnicity is the day I stop watching football. Sport is about breaking down social barriers and bringing people together for the love of the game we all play. The day that dies in favour of poxy nationalism or a weird fantasy that if we ban all the foreigners suddenly England will become some footballing powerhouse is the day the game in this country truly dies.


Sadly, Ollie, by voting Brexit (as this thread is about), has put up barriers about bringing people together not only in football, but any part of life.

There are a lot of people who like the English only mentality, pull up the drawbridge type, and have only English players,


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Martyn wrote:
Ollieargyle9 wrote:
MarkMatthews wrote:
Herts_Green wrote:
MarkMatthews wrote:
Under a no deal British withdrawal, we will finally be free to set quotas on the number of foreigners playing.

Me personally, I would like to see a limit at two per squad, one in the starting XI. As things stand this would allow us Carey starting every week and Lameiras on the bench. This will only be good for the National team. Eventually I would like to see 6/11 of every starting XI, having been born within (a nationally negotiated, with the PFA) area of the clubs stadium.


You would like to see one of our best players forced to sit on the bench? The England team is just fine even with the amount of foreigners in the country - they have massively raised the standard which has befitted English players. If young players are good enough they will get selected, look at Phil Foden at Manchester City. It’s the same at Argyle too - the players who haven’t made it simply haven’t been good enough.


If it benefits someone from around here then yes, I’m happy to see someone from outside on the bench. It is laughable, that under an effective closed shop that the PFA enjoy, that every other TU in the country would die for, that wages and opportunities for our own kind are so low, whilst foreign players throughout the leagues dominate, on the big bucks.

Hopefully Brexit will readdress this though I won’t hold my breath.


"Our own kind", "a foreign mercenary", do me a favour you are vile...

What is it that suddenly makes anyone from abroad a mercenary then? Was Alex Battle not a mercenary for chucking a contract offer back in our face in favour of Bolton, how far did "affinity for the area" go in that decision process, saw the money and tried running for the hills.

The day football banishes players based on their nationality or ethnicity is the day I stop watching football. Sport is about breaking down social barriers and bringing people together for the love of the game we all play. The day that dies in favour of poxy nationalism or a weird fantasy that if we ban all the foreigners suddenly England will become some footballing powerhouse is the day the game in this country truly dies.


Sadly, Ollie, by voting Brexit (as this thread is about), has put up barriers about bringing people together not only in football, but any part of life.

There are a lot of people who like the English only mentality, pull up the drawbridge type, and have only English players,


Sadly Brexit has been largely hijacked by people to push their anti-British agenda and demonise the majority that believe the UK can and should control its own destiny. Common sense will prevail on footballers who can play in Britain, although it's a minor issue in the current climate.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:32 pm 
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MarkMatthews wrote:
Under a no deal British withdrawal, we will finally be free to set quotas on the number of foreigners playing.

Me personally, I would like to see a limit at two per squad, one in the starting XI. As things stand this would allow us Carey starting every week and Lameiras on the bench. This will only be good for the National team. Eventually I would like to see 6/11 of every starting XI, having been born within (a nationally negotiated, with the PFA) area of the clubs stadium.


England are going to win the world cup because Lamieras is forced on the bench? Haha what a cod piece. Brilliant.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:35 pm 
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Ollieargyle9 wrote:
MarkMatthews wrote:
Herts_Green wrote:
MarkMatthews wrote:
Under a no deal British withdrawal, we will finally be free to set quotas on the number of foreigners playing.

Me personally, I would like to see a limit at two per squad, one in the starting XI. As things stand this would allow us Carey starting every week and Lameiras on the bench. This will only be good for the National team. Eventually I would like to see 6/11 of every starting XI, having been born within (a nationally negotiated, with the PFA) area of the clubs stadium.


You would like to see one of our best players forced to sit on the bench? The England team is just fine even with the amount of foreigners in the country - they have massively raised the standard which has befitted English players. If young players are good enough they will get selected, look at Phil Foden at Manchester City. It’s the same at Argyle too - the players who haven’t made it simply haven’t been good enough.


If it benefits someone from around here then yes, I’m happy to see someone from outside on the bench. It is laughable, that under an effective closed shop that the PFA enjoy, that every other TU in the country would die for, that wages and opportunities for our own kind are so low, whilst foreign players throughout the leagues dominate, on the big bucks.

Hopefully Brexit will readdress this though I won’t hold my breath.


"Our own kind", "a foreign mercenary", do me a favour you are vile...

What is it that suddenly makes anyone from abroad a mercenary then? Was Alex Battle not a mercenary for chucking a contract offer back in our face in favour of Bolton, how far did "affinity for the area" go in that decision process, saw the money and tried running for the hills.

The day football banishes players based on their nationality or ethnicity is the day I stop watching football. Sport is about breaking down social barriers and bringing people together for the love of the game we all play. The day that dies in favour of poxy nationalism or a weird fantasy that if we ban all the foreigners suddenly England will become some footballing powerhouse is the day the game in this country truly dies.


Well said Ollie, vile is the only word for that mentality. The poster has been a proven joke before, but this one really shines.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:41 pm 

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:56 pm 

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MarkMatthews wrote:
Martyn wrote:
European players and non European players would probably be subjected to work permits.

Depends on the deal or non deal that is agreed with the EU regarding people coming here to work.

At the moment any EU citizen can here to work, would all change in the future, as all the Brexiters wants to all the Johnny Foreigners’. So non English players(Carey, Songo’o, Lameries), MAY have to get a work permit, but having resided here for a few years, may be Ok.

All depends on the deal agreed, So have rely on May and her cronies.

One of the problems for voting for Brexit



Or a pro for voting Brexit that players (Rooney, Bentley and Battle, et al,) who have an affinity with the club, area and fan base, will see their opportunities increase, over some foreign mercenary.


Notwithstanding the xenophobia, I can't imagine enjoying watching a line-up like that for £20 quid a game. At least in the current system, these players inevitably end up at Parkway, where you can watch for a lot less money.

After all, once Brexit is done, we're all gonna need to save those pennies!


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:29 am 

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Ollieargyle9 wrote:
MarkMatthews wrote:
Herts_Green wrote:
MarkMatthews wrote:
Under a no deal British withdrawal, we will finally be free to set quotas on the number of foreigners playing.

Me personally, I would like to see a limit at two per squad, one in the starting XI. As things stand this would allow us Carey starting every week and Lameiras on the bench. This will only be good for the National team. Eventually I would like to see 6/11 of every starting XI, having been born within (a nationally negotiated, with the PFA) area of the clubs stadium.


You would like to see one of our best players forced to sit on the bench? The England team is just fine even with the amount of foreigners in the country - they have massively raised the standard which has befitted English players. If young players are good enough they will get selected, look at Phil Foden at Manchester City. It’s the same at Argyle too - the players who haven’t made it simply haven’t been good enough.


If it benefits someone from around here then yes, I’m happy to see someone from outside on the bench. It is laughable, that under an effective closed shop that the PFA enjoy, that every other TU in the country would die for, that wages and opportunities for our own kind are so low, whilst foreign players throughout the leagues dominate, on the big bucks.

Hopefully Brexit will readdress this though I won’t hold my breath.


"Our own kind", "a foreign mercenary", do me a favour you are vile...

What is it that suddenly makes anyone from abroad a mercenary then? Was Alex Battle not a mercenary for chucking a contract offer back in our face in favour of Bolton, how far did "affinity for the area" go in that decision process, saw the money and tried running for the hills.

The day football banishes players based on their nationality or ethnicity is the day I stop watching football. Sport is about breaking down social barriers and bringing people together for the love of the game we all play. The day that dies in favour of poxy nationalism or a weird fantasy that if we ban all the foreigners suddenly England will become some footballing powerhouse is the day the game in this country truly dies.



Why an earth would you bring ethnicity into it, and I’m the “vile” one?!

I just think it would be interesting to see how the whole 72 would look like if it was based much more on how good people from that area were, rather than how good a manager is at selling an area/rich the chairman is.

Look at International football, we don’t scream xenophobia or racism (or even argue that it doesn’t break down barriers, in fact you often hear the exact opposite.) Yet Nobody seriously suggests we should weaken the qualifying stipulations. 6/11 I’ve talked about alows 45% of the team to come from elsewhere. Are Bilbao racist? I would argue not, are Rangers bigoted with their signing policy? I would argue yes.

Of course more Englishmen getting chances at higher levels will only benefit the national team, although of course it doesn’t mean they will win a World Cup.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:34 am 

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Ollieargyle9 wrote:
MarkMatthews wrote:
Herts_Green wrote:
MarkMatthews wrote:
Under a no deal British withdrawal, we will finally be free to set quotas on the number of foreigners playing.

Me personally, I would like to see a limit at two per squad, one in the starting XI. As things stand this would allow us Carey starting every week and Lameiras on the bench. This will only be good for the National team. Eventually I would like to see 6/11 of every starting XI, having been born within (a nationally negotiated, with the PFA) area of the clubs stadium.


You would like to see one of our best players forced to sit on the bench? The England team is just fine even with the amount of foreigners in the country - they have massively raised the standard which has befitted English players. If young players are good enough they will get selected, look at Phil Foden at Manchester City. It’s the same at Argyle too - the players who haven’t made it simply haven’t been good enough.


If it benefits someone from around here then yes, I’m happy to see someone from outside on the bench. It is laughable, that under an effective closed shop that the PFA enjoy, that every other TU in the country would die for, that wages and opportunities for our own kind are so low, whilst foreign players throughout the leagues dominate, on the big bucks.

Hopefully Brexit will readdress this though I won’t hold my breath.


"Our own kind", "a foreign mercenary", do me a favour you are vile...

What is it that suddenly makes anyone from abroad a mercenary then? Was Alex Battle not a mercenary for chucking a contract offer back in our face in favour of Bolton, how far did "affinity for the area" go in that decision process, saw the money and tried running for the hills.

The day football banishes players based on their nationality or ethnicity is the day I stop watching football. Sport is about breaking down social barriers and bringing people together for the love of the game we all play. The day that dies in favour of poxy nationalism or a weird fantasy that if we ban all the foreigners suddenly England will become some footballing powerhouse is the day the game in this country truly dies.


This sort of policy would more than likely increase ethnic diversity. How many, as a percentage, of the general population are British Asian compared to the percentage of professional footballers? They are massively underrepresented by teams in communities such as; Burnley, Bolton, Luton and the Birmingham sides.

Ethnicity has no relation on the locality of someone’s birth. It’s a regional identity thing so isn’t even really a nantionalist policy either.

The authorities recognise its a problem they would like to address by bringing in the policy they have. However it is a token gesture that is very small beer that doesn’t go far enough.


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