oldage":3cs28md1 said:After whats happened at Charlton this week they were there for the taking but typical Argyle they blew it. Charlton had lost their manager and important players but still managed to win.We cannot be expected to win every game but the real concern is that when we lose key players we do not have quality replacements.
Mark Pedlar":390omqpc said:1) Argyle unchanged completely. Hopefully Songo'o and Matthews wouldn't repeat their first 45 performances from last week. Feel that we will continue to miss Bradley. Argyle started sloppily and after an early warning Argyle were 1 down within minutes form a long range effort.
2) Argyle pressed, mainly down our left and a flick from Taylor went agonisingly close. Lameiras casual in possession, lost the ball and a quick break cost us a second. We were out of sorts and being punished. Ness and Makasi couldn't seem to get going and Sawyer looked like our only outlet but the ball got lost too often in the final third.
3) Matthews made another poor decision and came for a ball outside the area. Obvious handball and Matthews was lucky to stay on the pitch. Argyle had a bright spot towards the end of the half but never really looked like scoring. At the other end Charlton came close a few times and won a series of corners. Matthews made a good save but the defence looked all over the place.
4) Very few highlights of the first from an Argyle perspective. Lameiras was the only outlet and got himself into food positions but when he got there was poor. Carey too looked crowded and seemed to have Ness and Sawyer with him every time he got the ball. It all felt like a game from October with no-one really being sure what to do and no obvious plan B.
5) We needed a change of plan or personnel - we were far too predictable. What would Adams do? Nothing. We started the second exactly as we finished the first. Once again a short pass from Lameiras let Charlton in. The ball flashed wide of the far post and Matthews watched it go past. It was enough and ATS and Fletcher on for Lameiras and Songo'o.
6) We were now 4-4-2 with a diamond midfield and Sawyer as left side centre back. Argyle continued to over elaborate and too many times we worked it quickly to the edge of the area only to turn back and play a square ball to a Charlton shirt. It still wasn't working and with 20 to go Paul Paton was on for Fox.
7) Argyle weren't at the races with too many players under par. Vyner had one of his worst games in a green shirt and both his centre back partners were worse. In midfield we gave ball after ball away. Even the normally dependable Fox and Threlkeld were poor.
8 ) Charlton looked like the more likely to score and went close a couple of times. Argyle had played all their cards and looked to be beaten. Carey dribbled into the box but kept going instead of passing. We had few ideas but we kept trying them again and again and again and again.
9) The end of a run. I'd like to be able to say we lost to a better team but we didn't. We were poor all over the pitch and apart from Taylor's flick that rolled agonisingly close I can't remember a shot that was even close to target, maybe a drive from Carey. We looked like the team that was bottom of the league. If we have any pretensions of the play offs we will need to be much better.
Remi Matthews - 6
Oscar Threlkeld - 6
Zak Vyner - 6
Yann Songo'o - 5
Gary Sawyer - 7
David Fox - 6
Jamie Ness - 6
Moses Makasi - 6
Ruben Lameiras - 6
Graham Carey - 5
Ryan Taylor - 7
Kyle Letheren - unused
Aaron Taylor-Sinclair - 6
Paul Paton - 5
Cameron Sangster - unused
Lionel Ainsworth - unused
Joel Grant - unused
Alex Fletcher - 5
Cobi Budge":245nx0y4 said:āŖNot a disaster and need to stay positive but worry we could start to fade if we carry on with the same defence for much longer, desperately need Bradley back or Sawyer to move across to CB.
rsp4":y3xuib71 said:PL2 3DQ":y3xuib71 said:Metal_Green_Mickey":y3xuib71 said:Before being shot down in flames there is nothing l said today that looks havent said in previous posts.
The full backs are slow. ATS, Sawyer and Threlkeld arent good enough in those positions. How many times do they beat an opposing full back? Or get a very decent cross in? Today was what always happens creativity wise. We pass it very slowly. It eventually gets out to them. They don't know what to do with it so look for Carey & Lameiras to give them the ball but they are tightly marked. We panick and lose the ball.
I don't understand with saying half the current squad aren't upto it. Look at the options today. They aren't game changers bringing on ATS or Fletcher. He doesn't seem to rate Ainsworth else we would play him and yet he is the one player who could run a defender. So if he isn't being picked what's the point in keeping him.
Last year when Bradley was injured the defence looked very vunerable. That's the same as this season. So how can you make a case for ATS, Sawyer, Songo and Threlkeld being decent league 1 defenders when today, last match against Rovers and other games this season they look so poor without Bradley.
We have a decent midfield in Fox, Ness and Sarcivic but where are the other midfield options when these aren't available? Sangster is surely better than the West Ham on loan guy who just doesn't take charge of any game situation. He just floats around the pitch. Passes the ball sideways or backwards and isn't involved for a fewhile more mins.
Today our Plan B was hoof it up to Taylor. After that there didn't seem any idea what should happen next. We bring Fletcher on but the game, like many others, passed him by.
Sure we had a good run and played some decent football. Yet today wasn't a one off. Even in patches where we were on our great run the problems highlighted above remained. The reason we get out of these problems is because of the character and fighting nature of our team. Yet when that is matched, like it was today, we can look one dimensional when the TLC parternship doesn't work.
We have 1 stand out player in league 1. 5-6 very decent standard league one players. After that lm afraid the squad is poor quality. You need a decent squad so you don't have to keep relying on the same 6-7 players to get you out of situations. Also the gap between say a Taylor in skill & quality and a Songo is too big. He is a whole hearted committed league 2 player at best. So when you have such vast deferentials in terms of your players then it's gonna impact results, like he had done before Taylor and Lameiras started playing in this team in December.
Today was disappointing. I've seen much worise though. I'm just trying to put it into some perspectI've where l think Argyle are at with this current squad.
You only had to see Charlton'so young, hungry, pacey youthful players to show how Argyle are missing some key ingredients in the team right now. They weren't great. Yet they were quicker and faster to the ball. And also when on the ball. We are pedestrian like at times and that is short of players in a number of key postions.
Even when we were winning last month, l felt like we are short of pace and quality in key areas. Which is why about 3 weeks ago l cashed out on my top 6 bet l placed months ago.
I think we done remarkably well to be where we are. Proud of the team. Yet to get to be a side getting promoted to league 1 l feel we just don't defensive issues and lack of pace throughout the side will be our endoing.
Was your last long critical post on the 20th January or 25th November? :smile:
mgm is back. Been quiet since November
memory man":18aai68d said:Just when you think things couldn't get any worse today, along comes a second long post. I am confursed by the sentence containing "to get to be a side getting promoted to league 1 l feel we have too many defensive issues,". Isn't that something we have already achieved?Metal_Green_Mickey":18aai68d said:Before being shot down in flames there is nothing l said today that looks havent said in previous posts.
The full backs are slow. ATS, Sawyer and Threlkeld arent good enough in those positions. How many times do they beat an opposing full back? Or get a very decent cross in? Today was what always happens creativity wise. We pass it very slowly. It eventually gets out to them. They don't know what to do with it so look for Carey & Lameiras to give them the ball but they are tightly marked. We panick and lose the ball.
I don't understand with saying half the current squad aren't upto it. Look at the options today. They aren't game changers bringing on ATS or Fletcher. He doesn't seem to rate Ainsworth else we would play him and yet he is the one player who could run a defender. So if he isn't being picked what's the point in keeping him.
Last year when Bradley was injured the defence looked very vunerable. That's the same as this season. So how can you make a case for ATS, Sawyer, Songo and Threlkeld being decent league 1 defenders when today, last match against Rovers and other games this season they look so poor without Bradley.
We have a decent midfield in Fox, Ness and Sarcivic but where are the other midfield options when these aren't available? Sangster is surely better than the West Ham on loan guy who just doesn't take charge of any game situation. He just floats around the pitch. Passes the ball sideways or backwards and isn't involved for a fewhile more mins.
Today our Plan B was hoof it up to Taylor. After that there didn't seem any idea what should happen next. We bring Fletcher on but the game, like many others, passed him by.
Sure we had a good run and played some decent football. Yet today wasn't a one off. Even in patches where we were on our great run the problems highlighted above remained. The reason we get out of these problems is because of the character and fighting nature of our team. Yet when that is matched, like it was today, we can look one dimensional when the TLC parternship doesn't work.
We have 1 stand out player in league 1. 5-6 very decent standard league one players. After that lm afraid the squad is poor quality. You need a decent squad so you don't have to keep relying on the same 6-7 players to get you out of situations. Also the gap between say a Taylor in skill & quality and a Songo is too big. He is a whole hearted committed league 2 player at best. So when you have such vast deferentials in terms of your players then it's gonna impact results, like he had done before Taylor and Lameiras started playing in this team in December.
Today was disappointing. I've seen much worise though. I'm just trying to put it into some perspectI've where l think Argyle are at with this current squad.
You only had to see Charlton'so young, hungry, pacey youthful players to show how Argyle are missing some key ingredients in the team right now. They weren't great. Yet they were quicker and faster to the ball. And also when on the ball. We are pedestrian like at times and that is short of players in a number of key postions.
Even when we were winning last month, l felt like we are short of pace and quality in key areas. Which is why about 3 weeks ago l cashed out on my top 6 bet l placed months ago.
I think we done remarkably well to be where we are. Proud of the team. Yet to get to be a side getting promoted to league 1 l feel we have too many defensive issues, even with Bradley back, and lack of pace throughout the side will be our endoing. For example, today Charlton left sided player waltz into our own half in a couple of occasions and never got challenged until reaching our penalty box. That can't be right way for a top 6 side to defend like that. This kind of scenerio happens in games a few times and let think highlights our deficiencies.
In case you did not understand the first time there is now a separate new (and prolonged) thread on the same topic - lolmoles40":isl1rjon said:Donāt expect Argyle to lose again this season.Always going to be one blip on the way to the play-offs. :scarf:
So no more long boring nonsensical posts from MGM to read again this season. :lol:
Letās hope Adams has more faith in the players than MGM
āSorry lads but getting us from the bottom of the table with a big chance of the play-offs ,is just not good enough after losing today.So Iāve decided to get rid of half you lot ,ok? :lol: :facepalm:
memory man":uegurh57 said:In case you did not understand the first time there is now a separate new (and prolonged) thread on the same topic - lolmoles40":uegurh57 said:Donāt expect Argyle to lose again this season.Always going to be one blip on the way to the play-offs. :scarf:
So no more long boring nonsensical posts from MGM to read again this season. :lol:
Letās hope Adams has more faith in the players than MGM
āSorry lads but getting us from the bottom of the table with a big chance of the play-offs ,is just not good enough after losing today.So Iāve decided to get rid of half you lot ,ok? :lol: :facepalm: