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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:48 pm 

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Brexit is what this country has needed for years and is so much more important than football they are incomparable. Personally I don't care about a few footballers or where they play just to appease remainers who are the most insulting and ill informed, weak willed, undemocratic individuals who spout on and on about all the pc and equality bs until someone disagrees with them then the insults and hatred come out showing their true colours. Bring on a no deal Brexit, its what the country voted for in the largest voter turnout ever in the uk no matter what scaredy cat remainers think.



Dear Pot, love kettle methinks.

By the way Brexiteers, what are all these laws we have been made to adopt by the EU that we wouldn't have had to anyway to accord with the world we live in?



Exactly , its a complete myth that we are under the shackles of the EU, you ask a Brexiteer to name 5 EU laws that we have been forced to implement that we disagree with you'd be lucky if they can name one. Its a bit like what have the Romans done for us ? The EU has "forced" us to have Human Rights, Womens Rights, Workers Time Directive , kept peace in Europe and invested in poor arrears , the Tory Government cuts taxes for the rich, devastates the NHS and schools and lies about the Brexit bonus, I know who's side Im on


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:02 pm 
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freddie2greens wrote:
Brexit is what this country has needed for years and is so much more important than football they are incomparable. Personally I don't care about a few footballers or where they play just to appease remainers who are the most insulting and ill informed, weak willed, undemocratic individuals who spout on and on about all the pc and equality bs until someone disagrees with them then the insults and hatred come out showing their true colours. Bring on a no deal Brexit, its what the country voted for in the largest voter turnout ever in the uk no matter what scaredy cat remainers think.

Well said :clap:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:21 pm 
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The problem with the theory that Brexit will save English football is, like most pro-Brexit arguments, it falls flat on its face when it meets reality.

If being in the EU was somehow holding our football team back then how do you explain that literally every single similarly sized country in Western Europe has in the last 12 years managed to both:

a.) be a member of the European Union and
b.) Win the World Cup

At some point, we will need to face up to the fact that our underperformance as a nation has primarily been due to our own failings and we have always had the power to do things a better way. This pathetic instinct to blame others will have to stop when we have run out of others to blame.

Also, if we do end up with no deal whether Graham Carey is eligible to play against Charlton will be the least of our problems!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:02 pm 
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So why do Brexiteers always play the democracy card when only 52% voted for it and yet are happy to have a government that only 44% voted for the Conservatives. So we can have selective democracy.

That is a really weak comparison. The Brexit vote was a straight in or out and the democratic result was 52% to come out. In a general election the process to elect a ruling government is very different but again the democratic decision was to elect a Tory government. I voted remain myself but totally respect the democratic decision the majority made to come out.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:52 pm 
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I do not.

Membership of the EU was way too complex an issue to be put to a vote by the public, who largely speaking wouldn't have a clue of the pros or the cons of it, and as such were just going to listen to lying, self-serving scumbags like Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage. So many people believed the lies of the Leave campaign about immigration, about NHS funding, and all the rest - it should have never gotten to the stage where they were able to be lied to on such a large scale.

We vote for MPs to handle this more complicated stuff - Cameron risked the vote to stablise his own position against the anti-EU element of his own party and lost, what an absolutely selfish move regardless of whether he won or lost.

Voting just "in" or "out" was much, much too binary for what it looks like the options will be.


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A weak response to back up an antiquated system that maintains the two main parties in power. The electorate has not backed any recent government with 50% of the vote. What democracy is this?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:47 pm 
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I do not.

Membership of the EU was way too complex an issue to be put to a vote by the public, who largely speaking wouldn't have a clue of the pros or the cons of it, and as such were just going to listen to lying, self-serving scumbags like Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage. So many people believed the lies of the Leave campaign about immigration, about NHS funding, and all the rest - it should have never gotten to the stage where they were able to be lied to on such a large scale.

We vote for MPs to handle this more complicated stuff - Cameron risked the vote to stablise his own position against the anti-EU element of his own party and lost, what an absolutely selfish move regardless of whether he won or lost.

Voting just "in" or "out" was much, much too binary for what it looks like the options will be.



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:56 pm 

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It's not difficult to get a work permit.
I'd like to see British players able to move around the UK freely and a basic of 5 British players in every starting 11, that'll mess up the man city's of this world..


No it wouldn’t. There are already champions league restrictions around ‘home grown’ players. It explains why clubs like Chelsea sign players like Ross Barkley who they wouldn’t otherwise touch

Rule changes like that won’t change the abilities of any individual players, just inflate the fees and wages of those players that qualify. If anything it will have a negative effect as young British players are already paid too much in the early stages of their careers


The young British players in the lower leagues certainly aren’t well paid. If you take a group of their mates working as apprentices at big local firms, some in retail, call centres etc then I would bet the first/second year Professional will be one of the lowest paid in the group.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:34 pm 
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Andy Holland wrote:
I do not.

Membership of the EU was way too complex an issue to be put to a vote by the public, who largely speaking wouldn't have a clue of the pros or the cons of it, and as such were just going to listen to lying, self-serving scumbags like Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage. So many people believed the lies of the Leave campaign about immigration, about NHS funding, and all the rest - it should have never gotten to the stage where they were able to be lied to on such a large scale.

We vote for MPs to handle this more complicated stuff - Cameron risked the vote to stablise his own position against the anti-EU element of his own party and lost, what an absolutely selfish move regardless of whether he won or lost.

Voting just "in" or "out" was much, much too binary for what it looks like the options will be.

There, in a nutshell, the high horsed dismissive mantra of the remoaner.

"We know better because we know best. Every one of the 52% are ignorant, every one of the 52% are racists, everyone of the 52% are geriatrics seeking to return to some sort of 'good old days', every one of the 52% frequent Wetherspoons establishments, every one of the 52% were hoodwinked, every one of the 52% are evil".

Those oft quoted accusations are all 100% bogus. Just believing them is ignorance of the highest order personified.

There is no 52% anyway because in that vote 50% plus just one vote equalled 100%. Remain voters have had a long time to get their heads round that but still prefer to label the majority of the population, participating in the biggest UK democratic turnout ever as inferior to themselves... ignorant, old, racist...yadda yadda :yawn:

Be more like Jerry. You didn't have to agree with it, you still don't have to like it, but you do have to respect the outcome and you do have to accept that British withdrawal from the European Union is going to happen.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:51 pm 
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I didn't mention racism, age, or social class once.

Some of your own insecurities coming out there, X.


If you want to go down that route though, I'm happy to - do you believe your average white van driver, if those are the terms in which you seem to want to deal, knows enough about the complexities of EU law and the financial impact of leaving to have made an intelligent, reasoned and thought out vote based on careful analysis of the issues? Regardless of whether that white van man voted remain or leave, it's one eyed lunacy to try and say yes.

MPs are elected to deal with this kind of stuff and should have done so. The average voter couldn't possibly have a clue what they were voting for either way.


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Really Andy? The question asked involved no complexity whatsoever, as simple a 'yes or no' question as you can get.

Do you wish to leave or remain in the European Union?

And the people spoke. Question answered.

The complexity, and it is massively complex, of course it is, is for the politicians to sort out.

That those very same politicians who you hold up as the paragons of intelligence (the ying to the yang of your 'scummy proletariat') are so royally cocking up the negotiations is no fault of the voting public.

This thorny in/out issue has split the parties, even split within parties just as it has the nation for decades. It had to come to a head sooner or later so the executive gave the question back to the nation. That is the purest form of democracy you can get. They now need to sort out the complexities. The public were only asked to sort out the destination, the complex navigation to get there is parliaments concern.

We should have left when the EU was created, we only gave our consent to the EEC. As painful as it is to leave now It'll only be far far worse when their path to European statehood becomes more advanced. And don't forget it is ONLY this complicated now BECAUSE of what the EU has morphed into now.

Generations to come will thank us for this, there will be pain to go through but in the end everything will be fine, better than fine in fact. We will thrive as an independent trading nation, the EU, bogged down by processes and red tape of its own making will tread in deeper and deeper treacle.

Remoaners need to move on, the question was clear, the answer was clear. Have a go at the incompetent politicians for what they are doing with the answer, not the majority of the electorate for simply giving an answer the minority just doesn't like.

Be more Jerry :thumbup:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:06 pm 
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Only people who have the right opinions are clever enough to understand the EU apparently.

What makes me laugh is that we are told that the EU is this benign entity that holds almost no sway at all over this country while in reality it is obviously simultaneously so self-important and determined to destroy the nation state that it is fighting a nation's attempt at self-determination. And not for the first time. Can't wait to see the back of it personally. I look forward to seeing more countries coming to their senses.

Now, the problem then is that our political parties represent the interests of virtually nobody other than their donors. It may be that becoming independent (how independent remains to be seen) leads to some long overdue realignment of the two main parties, particularly the pathetic, almost apolitical Tories who have no consistency of approach to anything. At least we know who Labour are since Corbyn took over. They've finally come clean as to their Marxist ideologies.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:02 pm 

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Really Andy? The question asked involved no complexity whatsoever, as simple a 'yes or no' question as you can get.

Do you wish to leave or remain in the European Union?

And the people spoke. Question answered.

The complexity, and it is massively complex, of course it is, is for the politicians to sort out.

That those very same politicians who you hold up as the paragons of intelligence (the ying to the yang of your 'scummy proletariat') are so royally cocking up the negotiations is no fault of the voting public.

This thorny in/out issue has split the parties, even split within parties just as it has the nation for decades. It had to come to a head sooner or later so the executive gave the question back to the nation. That is the purest form of democracy you can get. They now need to sort out the complexities. The public were only asked to sort out the destination, the complex navigation to get there is parliaments concern.

We should have left when the EU was created, we only gave our consent to the EEC. As painful as it is to leave now It'll only be far far worse when their path to European statehood becomes more advanced. And don't forget it is ONLY this complicated now BECAUSE of what the EU has morphed into now.

Generations to come will thank us for this, there will be pain to go through but in the end everything will be fine, better than fine in fact. We will thrive as an independent trading nation, the EU, bogged down by processes and red tape of its own making will tread in deeper and deeper treacle.

Remoaners need to move on, the question was clear, the answer was clear. Have a go at the incompetent politicians for what they are doing with the answer, not the majority of the electorate for simply giving an answer the minority just doesn't like.

Be more Jerry :thumbup:


And our very own Little Englander comes up with the same old nonsense without any evidence. But out of curiousity do you REALLY believe that the average voter had any clue what the repercussions would be one way or the other as you suggest? I mean the campaign before was so honest wasn't it?


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