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 Post subject: Re: Donald Trump
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:18 am 

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Thomas Edwards wrote:
Love that Labour voters always say "New Labour" like it's a completely different party, so they can't be blamed.

Easy get out clause for any conservatives and the mistakes made in the past. Ah that was "new Tory"



If you can't see the difference between New Labour and Corbyn now then you don't get it clearly. Would be good if there was a New Tory party but they are incapable of change.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:35 pm 

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No one has said that other than you Balham.

What people are saying is that the deregulation began under the Tories (who are bad) and accelerated under Labour (also bad (and much worse with Corbyn at the helm in my opinion)). Labour had 10 years to change it and did so 8 years before the crash, repealing Tory regulation and replacing it.

Would the crash in America still have happened if Labour had bought in a better more regulated structure? Absolutely.

Did Labour cushion or worsen the damage of that crash to the UK? They certainly worsened it!

You however are saying Labour are faultless and are blaming regulation that was no longer, and had not been for 8 years, in existence!



Hilarious. Even blaming Corbyn now! Do you think Corbyn would have backed deregulation? The policies were the result of the flawed neo liberal agenda which sadly NEW Labour bought into. And if you think your Tory mates opposed that you are living in cloud cuckoo land.


Balham where do I ‘blame Corbyn’? I say I think Labour are worse with him as their leader. Corbyn, believes in a socialist agenda. I do not agree, on any practical level with Socialism in practice. In principle, its a great thought but it simply cannot work. The best we could hope for is a capitalist/socialist hybrid.

Socialism cannot work because the cost of services must be collected in the form of taxes, and this is not a sustainable possibility. The reason is that since government pays for all services, neither the producer nor the consumer cares about the cost, and hence there is an uncontrolled spiral of inflation (today's medical costs are a case in point and healthcare is not yet totally socialised). Furthermore, the government has no funds or assets. It only has the funds it confiscated from its citizens (taxes). The total inefficiency of a centralised bureaucracy does not help either.

Let’s look at Socialist agendas in practice: USSR, Cuba, E. Germany, China as failed 20th C examples and Venezuela as a failed 21st C example. Socialism fails because it kills and destroys the human spirit–just ask the people leaving Cuba in homemade rafts and boats [and those waiting in long lines today in Venezuela struggling, and often failing, to buy food].

PS. I have also noticed that every time, on any post, you never actually respond to the points raised with a counter argument or offer a morsel of ...well anything. You just get offended and blurt absurd tangent comments. You could perhaps try by explaining why, in your opinion, Socialism could work under Corbyn having failed countless times with others? Or give an example of a successful Socialist economy that is not a hybrid? Or in the post you quote, perhaps you could explain why the 8 years of Labour’s regulation was a good thing and softened the financial crisis as opposed to amplify it like I espouse. Here’s one, try explaining how New Labour and Labour are any different other than leader? Go on, give it go. You clearly believe in your position, defend it. Try to convince others to believe in it the same way you do.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:25 pm 
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We have one madman in Putin, another would be a disaster.


Putin is a madman ?. I would say completely the opposite. Given the provocation Russia has faced from the US and NATO placing forces on Russia's borders, and given the provocation Russia has faced from the US putting an ABM shield pretty much on Russia's border I think Putin has been incredibly tolerant and diplomatic in his responses and actions. One can only imagine if Russia suddenly decided to put troops on the US's borders with Canada or Mexico, and One can only imagine the reaction if Russia put an ABM shield on the US's border and then we're deceptive in their reason to do so(let's not forget that the pretext of the ABM shield in Europe was to protect from ICBM strikes from Iran and North Korea, neither who have the capability to do so). I do laugh when I read comments like yours, it shows how easily led some people in the West are

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:39 pm 
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I agree that Putin isn't a mad-man, but he's also not an idiot. I don't buy into this impending Third World War hysteria which is being whipped up by some quarters: Putin runs a completely different Russia to the old Soviet Union. Russia is a world stage player, they've opened up their markets to Western companies. So they've meddled in Western elections: is this any different to what America (and the UK for that matter) have done in the past? Just look up about how the Americans helped Yeltsin win back in the 90's.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:03 pm 

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Rob Porter, the White House Staff Secratary, described by John Kelly as a man of honour and integrity, has been forced to resign because he beat up his wives.

They seem to resign faster than they get appointed in Trump's White House.


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Rob Porter, the White House Staff Secratary, described by John Kelly as a man of honour and integrity, has been forced to resign because he beat up his wives.

They seem to resign faster than they get appointed in Trump's White House.



What does Trump say? : Fake bruise?? :facepalm:


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:13 pm 

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And so it goes on.

Speechwriter david sorenson has now resigned over allegations of domestic abuse.

Big turnover of staff at the white house.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:31 pm 
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Amazing the number of people who insist they're innocent but still feel the need to resign.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:29 pm 

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Quinny wrote:
Amazing the number of people who insist they're innocent but still feel the need to resign.


It’s like that in every facet of society now. Look at the Oxfam resignations or that Henry Bolton has been under growing calls to resign for something his girlfriend said.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:13 pm 

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But, that person Bolton, should have resigned !!!


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 Post subject: Re: Donald Trump
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:08 pm 

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Isondil wrote:
Quinny wrote:
Amazing the number of people who insist they're innocent but still feel the need to resign.


It’s like that in every facet of society now. Look at the Oxfam resignations or that Henry Bolton has been under growing calls to resign for something his girlfriend said.



So the Oxfam guys were innocent?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:27 pm 
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NRA rules the USA OK! They get whatever they want no matter how many killings.

Trump makes no comment re access to guns but to mental problems. He should know about that.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:27 am 
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Just a reminder....

Trump signs bill revoking Obama era gun checks for people with mental health issues

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