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Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 00:48 18 Mar 2019
by CJH
Another brick in the pond of a Democratic Brexit, this is based on total contributions of nation states to the economy and security of Europe. Due to the way these figs are compulated they need to be regarded as Ball Park, however they provide some insight into the pecking order within the EU. Now before anybody comments that the EU and Nato are two distinctively separate identities, their wrong as a trading block will only survive if it can defend its borders, therefore I have amalgamated both sets of figures to arrive at my conclusion.

UK; Nato 55,237M EU 12,769M Total 68,000M USD
Germany Nato 45,427M EU 22,281M Total 66,372M
France Nato 45927M EU 20,445M Total 66,372M

Given the fluctuations in exchange rates, accounting procedures and political skulduggery, all three countries are equal.
Not sure if UKs Nuclear deterrent is included in figs

Conclusions: The UK (if REMAIN) has enough clout to led a revision of the EU working procedures to address some of the concerns of the Brexit supporters, regarding immigration, representation and border security etc.

CJH

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 19:12 18 Mar 2019
by Martyn
well, the speaker, has put a complete ‘ spanner in the works’.

Surely now, ART 50, should be revoked, and ALL sides should get together, and come up with alternative ideals, or just stay in.

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 19:36 18 Mar 2019
by MickyD
Yes, it's pretty huge. Parliament has been navigating (or, rather, largely thrashing around aimlessly in) uncharted waters ever since the Bexit referendum vote, and now this on top of everything else. Jeez, what on earth next?

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 19:53 18 Mar 2019
by signalspast
It's not only a meaningful vote that has been put on the back foot by the decision. He also stated in answer to a question that amendments previously rejected would have to be substantially different. As article 50 was rejected.with a higher majority than Mays meaningful vote it seems to be impossible to bring it back again. That includes almost everything that has been bought forward as they have been rejected in some form more times than Mays deal

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 20:06 18 Mar 2019
by Mike E
What has happened to this country ? Why are we in such a mess ?

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 20:34 18 Mar 2019
by Martyn
So, the EU, would only agree to an extension, if something important was agreed by Parliament

So the process could be, to ask the EU, to extend for

1), a GE
2) Art 50 revoked.
3) a new referendum

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 20:51 18 Mar 2019
by signalspast
Any extension agreed has to be put forward to parliament. If or what terms they state amendments can be put forward to amend them. This could easily take up one say maybe two of parliament. If amendments on it go through then it's back to Europe. If not and extension is agrees in parliament they then have to change the withdrawal act in the commons and the house of lords. All in four sitting days

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 21:06 18 Mar 2019
by MickyD
If I were an MP of Brexit persuasion I'd have been pretty mad (and I believe they were) that Bercow apparently dropped this completely out of the blue without even warning TM or anybody else; but what he said actually seemed perfectly reasonable: the last one had substantial changes and so qualified for a vote but the next one was going to be pretty much identical and you can't just keep on flogging a dead horse and wasting everyone's time.

But anyway, shouldn't all MPs already have been aware of the relevant 1604 parliamentary convention he cited? ;)

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 21:22 18 Mar 2019
by signalspast
Agreed but bercow should be more consistent in his decisions. It wasn't so long ago that he made a decision against convention stating that times change.

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 21:24 18 Mar 2019
by MickyD
Fair point!

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 21:33 18 Mar 2019
by signalspast
The big point though is will Europe give an extension. They are staying that the agreement is the only thing on the table and will only give an extension for a specific reason but what can she take there that hasn't been rejected by parliament. Anything agreed to put it through with bercows judgement would involve dissolving parliament and bringing it forward in the new parliament

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 23:08 18 Mar 2019
by Martyn
signalspast wrote: The big point though is will Europe give an extension. They are staying that the agreement is the only thing on the table and will only give an extension for a specific reason but what can she take there that hasn't been rejected by parliament. Anything agreed to put it through with bercows judgement would involve dissolving parliament and bringing it forward in the new parliament


So she should have agreed to an amendment last week, to allow Parliament time to consider alternative views.

But she voted against it, to run down the clock, and it is has come back to bit her.

Re: Government Brexit Proposal & DD Resignation

Posted: 23:44 18 Mar 2019
by signalspast
It's biting both sides one could argue the remain side more than exit because the only thing that's the law is that we leave on the 29th. The judgement gives the remain side less time to change this with anything bought back at subject to amendments etc