Just a reminder to all $$ lovers, he is now the enemy, beat them, hurt them and put them down! Simple.
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The Vibe at Stoke (a)
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Questions to which we will never know the answer.
If Schumacher had stayed, would Azaz and Cundle have stayed, and would we have won three away games by now?
Might have won a few more sat home, of course!
Anyway, cant go on Saturday, but wouldn't boo if I did. Would go nuts if we won though!
If Schumacher had stayed, would Azaz and Cundle have stayed, and would we have won three away games by now?
Might have won a few more sat home, of course!
Anyway, cant go on Saturday, but wouldn't boo if I did. Would go nuts if we won though!
Neither, from the comments SH made onmpod cast, he felt very and genuinely let down as SS had come to him and discussed his aspirations to move on, it's why the club wouldn't let Sheuy go into dressing room to say good bye to the players. That sounds like he burnt his brodges.
I wouldn't want him back but I would have Ryan Lowe. Will not happen of course, but he left us in a better way and has done very well as a manager in the championship since - unlike SS on both counts.
I think it has already been recorded on here that the salary offered to Azaz in order to move by 'Boro would have been enough to make SH's eyes water, even if Villa shaded the transfer fee in favour of Argyle. I admit it would have been great if he had stayed, but it was what it was,and we were forced to move into the post Jan season with lesser replacements.
I reckon Azaz would've gone. Form was so stunningly good that clubs would've wanted to sign him, and Argyle would've been priced out. Basically the same chain of events as what happened.
Cundle...probably stayed on loan? Much harder to be sure.
I have, in the back of my mind, that once Shuey knew he was going to Stoke, he was into prising Azaz and Cundle to Stoke because he knew how much we were paying their wages and he also knew that he could outpay us. As a result of Shuey contacting Villa, they were then aware of interest in Azaz, not only from Stoke but also from Middlesbrough, who had been tracking him, and so Middlesbrough gazumped us both by offering to buy him, which Villa accepted, and Shuey could not afford to outbid.
I'm probably wrong, and someone is going to tell me that Middlesbrough were going to make an offer to Villa for Azaz in the January window anyway, but I suspect that was brought forward from next summer because of Stoke's interest in him as well.
Had Shuey not gone to Stoke would Azaz have still been here, and would we have been able to outbid Middlesbrough in the summer for his services? We will never know!
Stoke were never linked that heavily to Azaz because the move to Boro was basically done already. They first contacted Villa just after we played Boro at Home Park.
The best thing to do is too ignore him - support the team onto victory - that will be the best message we can send to SS.
Why oh why would we want him back - he left for the better life at Stoke lol - he couldn't care less about us - the money and so-called better chance of success, he ran to it - no one dragged him up the M5.
As far as I am concerned he has burnt his bridges with this Club.
As far as I am concerned he has burnt his bridges with this Club.
I'd take him back, any manager who is successful with us will get poached. It's a job to them, nothing more, but then I don't romanticise players or managers. As long as they give their best while they're here, that's all I ask. There would be a PR job to do, but that's not insurmountable, and at least we'd know what we were getting.
My problem with this type of theory is it ignores the fact that Azaz, and Cundle, were performing well for goals and assists compared to other MFs in the league.
So it's quite conceivable Stoke - an underachieving team with money - would've had their eye on them. Many teams might've shortlisted them based on their goals/assists, plus the fact Argyle didn't own them we could hardly complain about approaches to Villa.
I could buy into a narrative that John Coates, in his chopper, sipping champagne, said "look Steven, at clubs like Stoke you can own these mere loanees like Azaz and Cundle, in fact we're in for both in Jan"
But all hypothetical, and other facts at play too.
Nope, weāve got enough ball-boys. Joking aside, if Schuey had simply jumped ship to another club like Ryan Lowe did, then no problemā¦..more money, closer to home, the individual believes it is career progression (although the average Stoke fan would today disagree š« )ā¦.so far so football. However, when you also lift the background team, at that time of the year, knowing the devastation it would cause to the club that you were pounding your chest against the club badge a few days earlierā¦..never again. A key principle of every employment contract is trust and confidence.ā¦..sorry Schuey, you make your bed.
