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Daily Mail article on Argyle

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Very favourable and welcome media coverage. But just for the historical record, Simon Hallett says, "‘I was a scholarship boy at Plymouth College, paid for by the taxpayers of Plymouth, a scholarship boy at Oxford University, paid for by the taxpayers of Plymouth. Argyle is a chance to give something back to those taxpayers.’"

Well, as a means-tested scholarship boy at St Boniface's College and having my fees paid and receiving a means-tested maintenance grant to go to The University of Nottingham around the same time, I feel compelled to point out that West Devon Education Authority administered it via a mix of national, county and local government funds. So not exactly "paid for by the taxpayers of Plymouth". We were both very lucky to be of that generation and to have opportunities not available to our parents. And it is appalling that so much of the cost of a good higher education is now borne by parents of modest means and their children with big loan debts.

He has been one of the better owners of Argyle, although I would prefer British football to be reformed and restructured via a collective fan ownership model that reins in the power of private shareholders (some of whom have monopoly control) and bans takeovers by the agents of repressive foreign governments.

And as for, "‘I’m a cold-blooded, free market, capitalist pig'", well it's an old resentment but I never could stomach the try-hard, minor public school pretension of Plymouth College!
 
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Interesting that when Ryan Lowe was first asked by Simon Hallett what he thought of Argyle, his response was, "Big club, no ambition".

Wonder what led him to have that view? I mean obviously we've never really achieved anything of note, but that doesn't mean we haven't tried. It can only be that he didn't see us as big spenders, but we aren't that now so I'm not sure what's changed his mind.
 

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A decent piece by the Mail - never thought I'd say that! Yes, it plays a bit fast and loose with the facts in places, and can't resist that Daily Mail spin, but it does a good job for Argyle and Plymouth. Think Mr H over-does the negative self-portrait a bit. Yes, he earns his money from playing the capitalist money game but "cold-blooded, capitalist pig", not from what I've seen. More highly rational in matters of business, I'd say. Very liberal in terms of social matters too.

I'd also disagree with Ryan Lowe about lack of ambition. The ambition has been there - even McCauley and the group that almost took us out of business had that. What was lacking was a coherent plan to support that ambition. The data-analytical approach that Mr H has brought into the club gives us that, alongside some financial backing. However, to fully achieve the goal of Championship sustainability the people of Plymouth and the greater Argyle diaspora need to buy into this vision. So far, so good. But will it last when fortune turns its back on us, as it will inevitably do.

(Written by someone who also benefitted from the municipal generosity of the same era as Mr H, and is trying to give something back - in a much more modest way. My route was via Devonport High School, and there was also an edge between us and the Plymouth College lot! But I'll forgive Mr H for making the wrong choice back in the 60s.)
 
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It may well be true that at that time Plymouth fell under West Devon Council. But where do you think they got ther money from to educate Janners and send some of them to university?
 
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It may well be true that at that time Plymouth fell under West Devon Council. But where do you think they got ther money from to educate Janners and send some of them to university?
Depends on when he went to school and university, due to the various Local Government reorganisations, so that prior to 1974 it would have been funded solely by Plymouth ratepayers, if between 1974 and 1996 it would have been funded from the ratepayers/community charge/council tax payers of all of Devon which included Plymouth, the student grant system was administered by the west Devon area committee of DCC, after 1996 it would again been just the Council tax payers of Plymouth City.
 

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Well little old Argyle appears to be a media favourite at this present time - all the articles published about us have been an excellent read & not at all condescending

We maybe classed by some people has geographically being a million miles from civilisation but in the football world we are not backwards & certainly evolving into become a championship club within the next couple of years :D(y)
 

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Lets hope so, and at a PASALB meeting a couple of years ago before lockdown Ryan Lowe was asked the same question on first impressions of Argyle. Same answer, 'Big club, no ambition'. It's not that we haven't tried, it's just that when we get to the upper reaches of the 2nd tier we haven't been able to get over the line to the top tier for whatever reason. Love the current set up at Argyle at the moment and came up to Morecambe yesterday. A good night out in the Broadwalk!! ps I was also at Boniface ('67 to' '74)
 
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If we are being pedantic most council funds come from central government not local tax payers, which is really a top up.
 
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Interesting that when Ryan Lowe was first asked by Simon Hallett what he thought of Argyle, his response was, "Big club, no ambition".

Wonder what led him to have that view? I mean obviously we've never really achieved anything of note, but that doesn't mean we haven't tried. It can only be that he didn't see us as big spenders, but we aren't that now so I'm not sure what's changed his mind.
He would have seen the post admin years under Sheridan and Adams and seen a club that (rightly) prioritised survival. Minimal investment in the team or the ground, but the stability Brent brought laid the foundations for where we are now
 
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If we are being pedantic most council funds come from central government not local tax payers, which is really a top up.
Not correct anymore with the drastic reduction in funding from Central Government since 2010, main reason for cuts especially in non statutory services like leisure over the years.
 
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Meant to add too, I don’t think it’s a question of lack of ambition it’s more a lack of money. There isn’t and never has been any real big money down here. Even Simon’s resources are finite. Although having said that when I moved back down to Plymouth from London a former boss of mine said “the Westcountry is the graveyard of ambition”. It was always true in my era you had to move away to achieve it which I did.
 
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Agree a good article - it portrays PAFC/SH/RL as being a bit different from so many other clubs and all in the right way.

Re Plymouth College I was lucky enough to benefit from 1962-69 - before then I was at Salisbury Road Primary. About 20 places were offered each year and you had to pass the 11 plus and an entrance exam. I think in those days it was seen as an extension of the Grammar School system - so at any one time around 140 kids were at PC rather than DHS or the other Grammar Schools. So I guess the argument was that the cost was in one place or another

Whatever, I have always been very grateful for the opportunity (my Dad died when I was 7 and we lived hand to mouth with my grandmother). Times have changed of course - but I think it was a genuine attempt to widen opportunities for those who wanted to have a go and otherwise couldn't even think about it.

My one regret is that SH was younger than me but somehow has done a little better - but at least he has green blood.
 
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Good to read so may positive things about Argyle and Plymouth recently. The club has a chance to succeed at Championship level by following it's own path i.e. investing for the future and creating sustainable income streams, youth player development, first class scouting, clever use of loanees, good management...it's different from the PL 'sugar daddy' model but that is never going to be sustainable in the long term. A successful Argyle will also benefit Plymouth as a City.