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 Post subject: PASB v Trust
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:21 pm 
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I am member of the trust 376 and originally a supporter of the then GASB and attended one of the meetings.

In my opinion I am now beginning to think the PASB will be a wast of time, there is a lot of hot air flying about and in reality no leadership from the club they have left Chris Webb to take all of the flack, I think Chris should have been supported by a full time staff member, I think then we could believe the club is serious about this supervisory board

In reality the trust should have been able to fulfill this role and should have gone all out to make sure they were the dominant board members, because they have dragged their feet I think that will now not happen..

As I have said I am a trust member and firmly believe that is the best way to go but unfortunately we have lost what the trust had 12 months ago, good strong leadership members that were fully committed but sadly more and more members who I am sure feel like me.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:56 pm 
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As things stand, the only way the PASB will become a long term and relevant body is for the first elected group to coalesce quickly, agree on a constitutional framework and then start doing something useful that connects them to the fanbase at large.

It could happen. But it would require a significant step change in the dynamic we've seen so far, from all concerned.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:38 pm 
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I don't see any decision greater than next season's pasties being passed by the PASB.

First and foremost they will end up club members' representatives, as only members can vote. They are not democratically elected by the fan base.

Secondly, the uninitiated will not know the difference between the Fans Trust and the PASB. This will cause confusion amongst the ranks. I can see it happening - this is a Fans Trust issue or problem, no its not it is a PASB issue and so it goes on.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:27 am 

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Surprised no-one has commented on James Brent's comments at the Q&A meeting:

"Question to James and Peter: What is the intention behind having both the PASB and the Argyle Fans’ Trust?

Answer: The PASB has been created as the Board wants every Club Member to have a vote and it gives a voice to those fans that don’t want to pay £10 to join the Trust. Therefore we believe that the PASB enables better representation of fans. The Trust is admired and the view is that the Board would be happy for the Trust and PASB to potentially become one body at some stage."


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:49 pm 
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John_Lloyd wrote:
As things stand, the only way the PASB will become a long term and relevant body is for the first elected group to coalesce quickly, agree on a constitutional framework and then start doing something useful that connects them to the fanbase at large.

It could happen. But it would require a significant step change in the dynamic we've seen so far, from all concerned.



Afternoon John

I tend to agree with much of what you have written here.

The first job was always to prepare a constitution although that will need to be voted on (?) which must be open to all sections of the Argyle family to be active and take part in.

Ofcourse, from day one it will need to be up to being relevent and open because from Day1 it will be the only group with regular "face to face" time with the Board. It will be no good hiding for 12 months, writing a constitution as the job for which tthe PASB was designed happens from Day 1. Ofcourse, that is my opinion, others may not wish it to hold the Board to account or act as a conduit for the Fans and Board. That ofcourse will be up to those writing the constitution, so I hope members will be able to vote on the final draft.

David

You are right to highlight that particular Q and A.

"Question to James and Peter: What is the intention behind having both the PASB and the Argyle Fans’ Trust?

Answer: The PASB has been created as the Board wants every Club Member to have a vote and it gives a voice to those fans that don’t want to pay £10 to join the Trust. Therefore we believe that the PASB enables better representation of fans. The Trust is admired and the view is that the Board would be happy for the Trust and PASB to potentially become one body at some stage."

The aspirartion of JB for all member fans to have a vote may well be taken away at the first hurdle by those writing the Constitution. They may change those who are allowed to vote.

The idea of the Trust and PASB becoming one body was a diplomatic answer as it would fly in the face of creating the PASB in the first place. Saying that, I think the Board will rue the day it sat on its hands on the sidelines. I would love to know how the acting CEO has advised the Board on this issue since the Guildhall meeting as he appears to be so hands free I hear around HP he is now called "Bluetooth"

Still, ballots are being sent out this Friday, Saturday we have the Hustings, which I am really looking forward to. Perhaps we will hear from some of those almost gaurenteed a seat who have remained so silent for so long?

There again, dont hold your breath.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:19 pm 

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Seems the hustings have been cancelled.

Not postponed or redated, just cancelled.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:42 pm 
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David_Fisher wrote:
Seems the hustings have been cancelled.

Not postponed or redated, just cancelled.


Dreadful and embarrassing.

Whilst readily accepting that Miles was away on holiday and counldn't make it, it beggars belief that on a home match day that others couldn't or wouldn't make it.

In itself its "just one of those things" but taken with the lack of activity from candidates generally a pattern emerges of indifference.

Sad to relate then then some of the indifferent will be elected. If they show this level of contempt for the members it is not hard to see what will happen once elected, although I would hope otherwise. Bearing this is mind it is important that the PASB declare early regular and frequent open meetings to update fans and hear their concerns/ideas.

We have the opportunity to really connect all the fans with the club and vice versa. I still hope something positive will come out of this, but hope is fading fast I fear.

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