4 Years

Wozzer · **Joined:** Sat Sep 20, 2003 6:28 pm

Tony, you must be having a laugh.

http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=293275

tonycholwell · **Joined:** Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:35 am **Location:** Somerset

Wozzer wrote:

Tony, you must be having a laugh.

http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=293275

No, Im raising a serious question about funding. Will the Board commit to paying for the election annually? If not who will? At a cost Ive estimated at £10,000, so may be out sliightly either way, it is one of the first challenges of the new Supporters Board when drawing up a constitution.

So no Woz, not having a laugh, posing a very serious question.

Chris Webb · **Joined:** Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:41 pm

tonycholwell wrote:

Wozzer wrote:

Tony, you must be having a laugh.

http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=293275

No, Im raising a serious question about funding. Will the Board commit to paying for the election annually? If not who will? At a cost Ive estimated at £10,000, so may be out sliightly either way, it is one of the first challenges of the new Supporters Board when drawing up a constitution.

So no Woz, not having a laugh, posing a very serious question.

Tony

You are miles out on cost. In fact if you used your multiplier on cost vs how many years a term of office would be then you would be looking at one year.

As everyone knows I don't post anymore but I will draft something over the weekend that answers all the concerns on this thread and more just to stop the void being filled.

Chris

David_Fisher · **Posted:** Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:24 am

Mr President wrote:

tonycholwell wrote:

Wozzer wrote:

Tony, you must be having a laugh.

http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=293275

No, Im raising a serious question about funding. Will the Board commit to paying for the election annually? If not who will? At a cost Ive estimated at £10,000, so may be out sliightly either way, it is one of the first challenges of the new Supporters Board when drawing up a constitution.

So no Woz, not having a laugh, posing a very serious question.

Tony

You are miles out on cost. In fact if you used your multiplier on cost vs how many years a term of office would be then you would be looking at one year.

As everyone knows I don't post anymore but I will draft something over the weekend that answers all the concerns on this thread and more just to stop the void being filled.

Chris

Have to say I don't understand the first paragraph of Chris's post.

I think he's either saying that the election is costing £2,500 or £40,000 so I would guess (hope!!) that it's the lower of the two.

So I'm assuming that we're looking at a cost of £2,500 which seems rather low.

Postage alone for sending out the 4,000+ voting packs and (presumably) pre-paid return postage would account for most / all of £2,500.

Then there's all the printing, and I don't suppose these ERS people are doing it for free.

This money, however much, could surely have been better spent.

I would put the nine names in a hat and draw out six. Cost £0.00.

Wozzer · **Joined:** Sat Sep 20, 2003 6:28 pm

tonycholwell wrote:

Wozzer wrote:

Tony, you must be having a laugh.

http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=293275

No, Im raising a serious question about funding. Will the Board commit to paying for the election annually? If not who will? At a cost Ive estimated at £10,000, so may be out sliightly either way, it is one of the first challenges of the new Supporters Board when drawing up a constitution.

So no Woz, not having a laugh, posing a very serious question.

So let me get this right.

You guys get elected, get yourself comfy and then decide between you that you would like to stay for 4 years without the need for us to hold you to account via the ballot box?

hairy j · **Joined:** Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:21 am

Tony you are crackers. Four years... like the President of The USA? I'm not sure you really understand what this is. You aren't going to be running the club.

Message to the President, I've asked before how much this thing is going to cost and you did say you were waiting on quotes - how much is it going to be? I know you can't answer re: the business response plus return charge as you don't know how many you are going to receive back but what's the print/management cost of this from the electoral company? It might help to allay the fears of cost from Tony et al.

£40,000 is not what this is going to cost - to reply to that one. It'll be more than £2,500 too I would suspect.

tonycholwell · **Joined:** Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:35 am **Location:** Somerset

Wozzer wrote:

tonycholwell wrote:

Wozzer wrote:

Tony, you must be having a laugh.

http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=293275

No, Im raising a serious question about funding. Will the Board commit to paying for the election annually? If not who will? At a cost Ive estimated at £10,000, so may be out sliightly either way, it is one of the first challenges of the new Supporters Board when drawing up a constitution.

So no Woz, not having a laugh, posing a very serious question.

So let me get this right.

You guys get elected, get yourself comfy and then decide between you that you would like to stay for 4 years without the need for us to hold you to account via the ballot box?

Quite the opposite!

Its OK the club footing the bill one year, but to date no one from the Board has stated what their ongoing support will be. So, Im asking, will the club maintain an annual ballot and all that entails or will they expect the periods between ballots to lengthen?

Its great to see Chris responding so quickly and I look forward to a definitive reply as he suggests. On the wider point Woz, and I raised this months ago, it is the responsibiliuty of the first PASB to make the constitution. In theory they could come up with a LibDem solution and say those elected will serve for a single 15 years!

At least this has induced some form of debate which I can only see as healthy. Its good to have you back discussing stuff:)

tonycholwell · **Joined:** Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:35 am **Location:** Somerset

hairy j wrote:

Tony you are crackers. Four years... like the President of The USA? I'm not sure you really understand what this is. You aren't going to be running the club.

Message to the President, I've asked before how much this thing is going to cost and you did say you were waiting on quotes - how much is it going to be? I know you can't answer re: the business response plus return charge as you don't know how many you are going to receive back but what's the print/management cost of this from the electoral company? It might help to allay the fears of cost from Tony et al.

£40,000 is not what this is going to cost - to reply to that one. It'll be more than £2,500 too I would suspect.

Hairy

As President of the WUM you do a wonderful job. :greensmile:

Wozzer · **Joined:** Sat Sep 20, 2003 6:28 pm

tonycholwell wrote:

Wozzer wrote:

tonycholwell wrote:

Wozzer wrote:

Tony, you must be having a laugh.

http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=293275

No, Im raising a serious question about funding. Will the Board commit to paying for the election annually? If not who will? At a cost Ive estimated at £10,000, so may be out sliightly either way, it is one of the first challenges of the new Supporters Board when drawing up a constitution.

So no Woz, not having a laugh, posing a very serious question.

So let me get this right.

You guys get elected, get yourself comfy and then decide between you that you would like to stay for 4 years without the need for us to hold you to account via the ballot box?

Quite the opposite!

Its OK the club footing the bill one year, but to date no one from the Board has stated what their ongoing support will be. So, Im asking, will the club maintain an annual ballot and all that entails or will they expect the periods between ballots to lengthen?

Its great to see Chris responding so quickly and I look forward to a definitive reply as he suggests. On the wider point Woz, and I raised this months ago, it is the responsibiliuty of the first PASB to make the constitution. In theory they could come up with a LibDem solution and say those elected will serve for a single 15 years!

At least this has induced some form of debate which I can only see as healthy. Its good to have you back discussing stuff:)

After your statement about 4 years this statement really worries me.

JonB · **Posted:** Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:17 pm

Maximum of one season's tenure for me, although I can't see any significant reason (at the moment) why people shouldn't be able to reapply.

That said (& to beat an old drum again) if I was to attain a position I would push for selection rather than election - my belief in that having been strengthened after what I've seen over the last couple of months.

As for now, I'd probably go with each of the (is it nine?) applicants for the first cycle, rather than go through the current process just to lose three of us.

Womble · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:21 pm **Location:** Plymouth

The process is a mess, no one wants it, no one knows about it, the organisation has been terrible and any one hearing abiut it for the first time now is unable tp put themselves forward. The PASB board wil never speak for me. An utter shambles.

Greenrod · **Joined:** Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:26 pm **Location:** Plymouth

We are at the bottom end of the Football League and spending needless money on an election of 6 out of 9 for a board that will have no influence in the running of the club. Maybe they will have first shout at who supplies the pasties next season, which will perhaps be better than the Herald vote rigging fiasco.

The whole thing has been a farce from the start. Never ask public sector or Uni workers to work out a strategy for an elected board, it will be doomed to fail.

Please tell me it is not a joke. Please tell me it is all a dream.

We have a bunch of no hope strikers, I would rather see the money spent on scouting for a decent loanee striker that will bag us some honest goals.

tonycholwell · **Joined:** Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:35 am **Location:** Somerset

Wozzer wrote:

tonycholwell wrote:

Wozzer wrote:

tonycholwell wrote:

Wozzer wrote:

Tony, you must be having a laugh.

http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=293275

No, Im raising a serious question about funding. Will the Board commit to paying for the election annually? If not who will? At a cost Ive estimated at £10,000, so may be out sliightly either way, it is one of the first challenges of the new Supporters Board when drawing up a constitution.

So no Woz, not having a laugh, posing a very serious question.

So let me get this right.

You guys get elected, get yourself comfy and then decide between you that you would like to stay for 4 years without the need for us to hold you to account via the ballot box?

Quite the opposite!

Its OK the club footing the bill one year, but to date no one from the Board has stated what their ongoing support will be. So, Im asking, will the club maintain an annual ballot and all that entails or will they expect the periods between ballots to lengthen?

Its great to see Chris responding so quickly and I look forward to a definitive reply as he suggests. On the wider point Woz, and I raised this months ago, it is the responsibiliuty of the first PASB to make the constitution. In theory they could come up with a LibDem solution and say those elected will serve for a single 15 years!

At least this has induced some form of debate which I can only see as healthy. Its good to have you back discussing stuff:)

After your statement about 4 years this statement really worries me.

Sorry about that Woz, but thats the size of it. First job, clean slate, write constitution. And theres a free hand, anything goes.

As a small aside, I was chatting to my good friends on the Trust Board today who tell me they are elected in effect for 3 years with each year a third up for election. This year as they have had 2 resignations no sitting Board member will have to stand for re-election although they hope to elect 3 new people, an increase in the Board of 1.

hairy j · **Joined:** Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:21 am

Greenrod wrote:

We are at the bottom end of the Football League and spending needless money on an election of 6 out of 9 for a board that will have no influence in the running of the club. Maybe they will have first shout at who supplies the pasties next season, which will perhaps be better than the Herald vote rigging fiasco.

The whole thing has been a farce from the start. Never ask public sector or Uni workers to work out a strategy for an elected board, it will be doomed to fail.

Please tell me it is not a joke. Please tell me it is all a dream.

We have a bunch of no hope strikers, I would rather see the money spent on scouting for a decent loanee striker that will bag us some honest goals.

They tend to be the people organising those general election things you sometimes vote in - you know the ones, the put your X in a box ones.

Other than that, I do agree.

Tim Chown · **Posted:** Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:50 pm

Just for reference, the default Rules supplied by Supporters Direct for Fans' Trusts suggest terms of either 2 or 3 years, but they also force an election each year because either one half or one third of the board are up for election.

The Trust Rules also allow for the Trust's members to put forward motions at each AGM (or even to call an SGM at any time) to change that rule; it's not at the behest of the Board to pick how long its elected members serve. That's part of how the Trust board is accountable to its members.

While an annual election has a cost, it has the advantage of forcing a discussion/debate on the current issues.

The Trust election is run purely on a volunteer basis - for which we of course thank the volunteers - so its costs are dominated by the printing and postage.

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