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Aug 11, 2013
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Hope a link is allowed

http://www.scotzine.com/2014/08/adams-l ... ss-county/

The similarities between what is said in this article about the end of Adams tenure at Ross County are so strikingly similar to what is happening here at Argyle it is extraordinary. Even the mention of Jake Jervis playing the lone striker role.

Not sure if this article has been viewed much before but you’d have thought he’d have learned from his mistakes here?
 
Oct 31, 2015
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Blimey how true does some of that read now!!!!!
Uncanny likeness!!!!!
 
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Charles Plym

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I want da to stay .but that was an eery read . Hmmmmm
 
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Knowing Scottish football as I do the point is probably worth making that all Scottish football teams (excluding the big city teams) go through a 'success-failure-success-failure' cycle at some point and occasionally often and repeatedly. In County's case they were late additions to senior football so haven't really had that yet as they are still in the top flight. The foundations laid there of which DA was a prime contributor have held them in good stead even though his replacement has just been sacked. English league football is a world away from that. Ross County's ground holds 6,000ish and the population of the town(Dingwall) is not much above that. Ultimately the article itself is relevant to RC and not Argyle despite some of the 'similarities' .
 
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arrythewurzel":17a03oru said:
Hope a link is allowed

http://www.scotzine.com/2014/08/adams-l ... ss-county/

The similarities between what is said in this article about the end of Adams tenure at Ross County are so strikingly similar to what is happening here at Argyle it is extraordinary. Even the mention of Jake Jervis playing the lone striker role.

Not sure if this article has been viewed much before but you’d have thought he’d have learned from his mistakes here?


Yes, plainly it was a mistake of huge proportions to use his own methods and get the club promoted last season after 6 years in the fourth division.
 
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Greenskin":28jqzklz said:
arrythewurzel":28jqzklz said:
Hope a link is allowed

http://www.scotzine.com/2014/08/adams-l ... ss-county/

The similarities between what is said in this article about the end of Adams tenure at Ross County are so strikingly similar to what is happening here at Argyle it is extraordinary. Even the mention of Jake Jervis playing the lone striker role.

Not sure if this article has been viewed much before but you’d have thought he’d have learned from his mistakes here?


Yes, plainly it was a mistake of huge proportions to use his own methods and get the club promoted last season after 6 years in the fourth division.

The "mistake" outlined here and perceived in our start to this season is arguably that Derek stuck to one striker at Ross and is doing the same for most game time at Argyle. We are loaded with midfielders and wide players with little experience/quality in attack, that's how Derek has spent his budget this season so I can see why 4-5-1 persists.

If this changes, which I don't think it will dramatically, we need to bring in other forwards (e.g.Church or wait to Jan).
 

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Interesting read. It's good to know that DA has been able to get a team playing passing football. But worrying that the problems we have now seem similar to what brought about his downfall at RC. Will the real DA please stand up! And if its the dour, defensive, bloody-minded one.......
 
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Interesting and certainly some parallels, what is fascinating is that it sounds like his style has evolved from attacking to defensive in his time at Ross County and i guess natural as they wet through the leagues and faced tougher opposition ad that defensive mindset has continued here.
 
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Lesley Somerville":3mi5e1d7 said:
Interesting read. It's good to know that DA has been able to get a team playing passing football. But worrying that the problems we have now seem similar to what brought about his downfall at RC. Will the real DA please stand up! And if its the dour, defensive, bloody-minded one.......

Rather sweeping to make a judgement about "what went wrong at Ross County" on the basis of what one of their fans thinks. Looking at it from another angle, there is a possibility that Ross County had gone as far as they could no matter who was manager- their league positions and indeed goal scoring records have altered very little in the time since Adams departed although in fairness they have won the Scottish league cup, one step beyond from what was achieved when he was in situ. That article makes mention of alleged player discontent at Ross County and singles out the playing of Jervis in the lone striker role as a possible cause, yet apparently Jervis was reasonably happy to up sticks and come and play for Adams at Plymouth.Seems rather anomalous in all truth.
 
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Greenskin":upt2jb81 said:
Lesley Somerville":upt2jb81 said:
Interesting read. It's good to know that DA has been able to get a team playing passing football. But worrying that the problems we have now seem similar to what brought about his downfall at RC. Will the real DA please stand up! And if its the dour, defensive, bloody-minded one.......

Rather sweeping to make a judgement about "what went wrong at Ross County" on the basis of what one of their fans thinks. Looking at it from another angle, there is a possibility that Ross County had gone as far as they could no matter who was manager- their league positions and indeed goal scoring records have altered very little in the time since Adams departed although in fairness they have won the Scottish league cup, one step beyond from what was achieved when he was in situ. That article makes mention of alleged player discontent at Ross County and singles out the playing of Jervis in the lone striker role as a possible cause, yet apparently Jervis was reasonably happy to up sticks and come and play for Adams at Plymouth.Seems rather anomalous in all truth.

I personally saw a lot of parallels with our current situation:-

“It’s Adams’ return to that style (described as cautious earlier in article) of football that has seen County’s fortunes fade and seen him lose his job.”

Could cost him his job at Argyle before too long.

“Last season Ross County did not play good football, and it’s not the players to blame for that. They were instructed to sit further back and to play more direct football. Adams insisted for most of the season to play with a lone striker, and while we couldn’t find a player that could play the role effectively we struggled to score goals and suffered many defeats by a single goal because other sides took their chances better. “

That could have been written by an Argyle fan this season.

“This season has been very poor so far, with only a solitary win against Stranraer to our credit – and even that was by one goal. It’s not the players to blame. Adams hasn’t played the right style of football, yet again, this year to get the most out of his side – and that is the problem. “

We have one win and the style of play is a common moan on here: right UTL

“His new signings have not been outstanding, with only Melvin De Leeuw and Filip Kiss having really made an impression so far.”

Same accusations as banded about on here about current squad

“New strikers Liam Boyce and Jake Jervis are showing promise, but I don’t think sticking them up front alone hasn’t helped their efforts. County need a new playing style to get their season up and running.”

Replace Boyce and Jervis in above with any combination of Fletcher Jervis Ciftci

I did take comfort from the fact Adams seems to have abandoned the cautious one man up top approach when he realised it wasn’t working and look forward to his epiphany moment when it arrives again .
 
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arrythewurzel":11aa128n said:
Greenskin":11aa128n said:
Lesley Somerville":11aa128n said:
Interesting read. It's good to know that DA has been able to get a team playing passing football. But worrying that the problems we have now seem similar to what brought about his downfall at RC. Will the real DA please stand up! And if its the dour, defensive, bloody-minded one.......

Rather sweeping to make a judgement about "what went wrong at Ross County" on the basis of what one of their fans thinks. Looking at it from another angle, there is a possibility that Ross County had gone as far as they could no matter who was manager- their league positions and indeed goal scoring records have altered very little in the time since Adams departed although in fairness they have won the Scottish league cup, one step beyond from what was achieved when he was in situ. That article makes mention of alleged player discontent at Ross County and singles out the playing of Jervis in the lone striker role as a possible cause, yet apparently Jervis was reasonably happy to up sticks and come and play for Adams at Plymouth.Seems rather anomalous in all truth.

I personally saw a lot of parallels with our current situation:-

“It’s Adams’ return to that style (described as cautious earlier in article) of football that has seen County’s fortunes fade and seen him lose his job.”

Could cost him his job at Argyle before too long.

“Last season Ross County did not play good football, and it’s not the players to blame for that. They were instructed to sit further back and to play more direct football. Adams insisted for most of the season to play with a lone striker, and while we couldn’t find a player that could play the role effectively we struggled to score goals and suffered many defeats by a single goal because other sides took their chances better. “

That could have been written by an Argyle fan this season.

“This season has been very poor so far, with only a solitary win against Stranraer to our credit – and even that was by one goal. It’s not the players to blame. Adams hasn’t played the right style of football, yet again, this year to get the most out of his side – and that is the problem. “

We have one win and the style of play is a common moan on here: right UTL

“His new signings have not been outstanding, with only Melvin De Leeuw and Filip Kiss having really made an impression so far.”

Same accusations as banded about on here about current squad

“New strikers Liam Boyce and Jake Jervis are showing promise, but I don’t think sticking them up front alone hasn’t helped their efforts. County need a new playing style to get their season up and running.”

Replace Boyce and Jervis in above with any combination of Fletcher Jervis Ciftci

I did take comfort from the fact Adams seems to have abandoned the cautious one man up top approach when he realised it wasn’t working and look forward to his epiphany moment when it arrives again .

You seem to be implying that using the tactic of a solitary striker automatically means an unsuccessful sequence of results-would not last seasons promotion demonstrate that is not necessarily the case?
 
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Greenskin":o5hfvrz4 said:
arrythewurzel":o5hfvrz4 said:
Greenskin":o5hfvrz4 said:
Lesley Somerville":o5hfvrz4 said:
Interesting read. It's good to know that DA has been able to get a team playing passing football. But worrying that the problems we have now seem similar to what brought about his downfall at RC. Will the real DA please stand up! And if its the dour, defensive, bloody-minded one.......

Rather sweeping to make a judgement about "what went wrong at Ross County" on the basis of what one of their fans thinks. Looking at it from another angle, there is a possibility that Ross County had gone as far as they could no matter who was manager- their league positions and indeed goal scoring records have altered very little in the time since Adams departed although in fairness they have won the Scottish league cup, one step beyond from what was achieved when he was in situ. That article makes mention of alleged player discontent at Ross County and singles out the playing of Jervis in the lone striker role as a possible cause, yet apparently Jervis was reasonably happy to up sticks and come and play for Adams at Plymouth.Seems rather anomalous in all truth.

I personally saw a lot of parallels with our current situation:-

“It’s Adams’ return to that style (described as cautious earlier in article) of football that has seen County’s fortunes fade and seen him lose his job.”

Could cost him his job at Argyle before too long.

“Last season Ross County did not play good football, and it’s not the players to blame for that. They were instructed to sit further back and to play more direct football. Adams insisted for most of the season to play with a lone striker, and while we couldn’t find a player that could play the role effectively we struggled to score goals and suffered many defeats by a single goal because other sides took their chances better. “

That could have been written by an Argyle fan this season.

“This season has been very poor so far, with only a solitary win against Stranraer to our credit – and even that was by one goal. It’s not the players to blame. Adams hasn’t played the right style of football, yet again, this year to get the most out of his side – and that is the problem. “

We have one win and the style of play is a common moan on here: right UTL

“His new signings have not been outstanding, with only Melvin De Leeuw and Filip Kiss having really made an impression so far.”

Same accusations as banded about on here about current squad

“New strikers Liam Boyce and Jake Jervis are showing promise, but I don’t think sticking them up front alone hasn’t helped their efforts. County need a new playing style to get their season up and running.”

Replace Boyce and Jervis in above with any combination of Fletcher Jervis Ciftci

I did take comfort from the fact Adams seems to have abandoned the cautious one man up top approach when he realised it wasn’t working and look forward to his epiphany moment when it arrives again .

You seem to be implying that using the tactic of a solitary striker automatically means an unsuccessful sequence of results-would not last seasons promotion demonstrate that is not necessarily the case?

Seems to work at lower level (like league 2) but not at a higher level I would venture to say ...