In hindsight, this question should have created a poll. I suspect that, following 135 posts, 'Yes' would have won and 'undecided' would have come second.
HC Green":24e0uwjl said:I don't understand where you get the idea we capitulated, I can't think of one game where we ever gave less than 100% and capitulated. We never went on a long losing streak.
It was an odd goal in a couple of matches that cost promotion, either not scoring or conceding soft goals, examples being Crawley and Accrington and most of these were due to an individual's error, and not the same person.
This is what I found so frustrating about last season.
Andy_S":1jvnfh8m said:HC Green":1jvnfh8m said:I don't understand where you get the idea we capitulated, I can't think of one game where we ever gave less than 100% and capitulated. We never went on a long losing streak.
It was an odd goal in a couple of matches that cost promotion, either not scoring or conceding soft goals, examples being Crawley and Accrington and most of these were due to an individual's error, and not the same person.
This is what I found so frustrating about last season.
You obviously weren't at Wembley!
demportdave":20uq7977 said:Too many fans seem to think that PASOTI is solely for the purpose of praising everything Argyle and in particular, Adams.
We have a new season coming up when we should be looking forward to playing against the likes of Sheffield United, Bolton, Charlton, Coventry etc. Instead, we will competing against the likes of Morecambe, Crawley, Barnet and Stevenage, again!
After 5 seasons in the basement League, we wontonly threw away what may well be the best chance we are likely to have of getting out of it. Adams did a great job to get us comfortably clear of 4th place going into the final third of the season, but he then presided over a disasterous capitulation which culminated in a massive anti-climax at Wembley when we were unable to muster a shot on goal in 90 minutes.
Yet to many, whilst he was the best thing since sliced bread for the first 30 games or so, the collapse was nothing to do with him and they came up with every excuse they could rather put any blame on him. When it really mattered at the 'business end' of the season, Adams was found wanting yet anyone who dares to say this or voice any criticism of him is immediately denounced.
HC Green":fceewond said:I don't understand where you get the idea we capitulated, I can't think of one game where we ever gave less than 100% and capitulated. We never went on a long losing streak.
It was an odd goal in a couple of matches that cost promotion, either not scoring or conceding soft goals, examples being Crawley and Accrington and most of these were due to an individual's error, and not the same person.
This is what I found so frustrating about last season.
Quizmike":1qbttoqd said:demportdave":1qbttoqd said:Too many fans seem to think that PASOTI is solely for the purpose of praising everything Argyle and in particular, Adams.
We have a new season coming up when we should be looking forward to playing against the likes of Sheffield United, Bolton, Charlton, Coventry etc. Instead, we will competing against the likes of Morecambe, Crawley, Barnet and Stevenage, again!
After 5 seasons in the basement League, we wontonly threw away what may well be the best chance we are likely to have of getting out of it. Adams did a great job to get us comfortably clear of 4th place going into the final third of the season, but he then presided over a disasterous capitulation which culminated in a massive anti-climax at Wembley when we were unable to muster a shot on goal in 90 minutes.
Yet to many, whilst he was the best thing since sliced bread for the first 30 games or so, the collapse was nothing to do with him and they came up with every excuse they could rather put any blame on him. When it really mattered at the 'business end' of the season, Adams was found wanting yet anyone who dares to say this or voice any criticism of him is immediately denounced.
Dave, here's the definition of the word 'fan'
An enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fan
You see fans are meant to be enthusiastic. That's what the word means. Yet you seem to object to fans who are enthusiastic, frequently calling them 'Argyle fans' and 'happy clappers'.
Do you understand why people get frustrated by your posts? Why not accept that people are fans and allow enthusiasm?
Yes we should be in a higher division but we're not, and criticising other supporters isn't going to change that, is it?
justanotherfan":17401s51 said:Quizmike":17401s51 said:demportdave":17401s51 said:Too many fans seem to think that PASOTI is solely for the purpose of praising everything Argyle and in particular, Adams.
We have a new season coming up when we should be looking forward to playing against the likes of Sheffield United, Bolton, Charlton, Coventry etc. Instead, we will competing against the likes of Morecambe, Crawley, Barnet and Stevenage, again!
After 5 seasons in the basement League, we wontonly threw away what may well be the best chance we are likely to have of getting out of it. Adams did a great job to get us comfortably clear of 4th place going into the final third of the season, but he then presided over a disasterous capitulation which culminated in a massive anti-climax at Wembley when we were unable to muster a shot on goal in 90 minutes.
Yet to many, whilst he was the best thing since sliced bread for the first 30 games or so, the collapse was nothing to do with him and they came up with every excuse they could rather put any blame on him. When it really mattered at the 'business end' of the season, Adams was found wanting yet anyone who dares to say this or voice any criticism of him is immediately denounced.
Dave, here's the definition of the word 'fan'
An enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fan
You see fans are meant to be enthusiastic. That's what the word means. Yet you seem to object to fans who are enthusiastic, frequently calling them 'Argyle fans' and 'happy clappers'.
Do you understand why people get frustrated by your posts? Why not accept that people are fans and allow enthusiasm?
Yes we should be in a higher division but we're not, and criticising other supporters isn't going to change that, is it?
I accept and like your post, it sums up how I think the majority of "fans" feel, however in its purest form I think it is an exercise in semantics. I find it frustrating that certain posters, no names no pack drills but we all know who they are, never post when results are good but burn up the keyboard when we lose, buy a player they don`t fancy etc. etc.
IJN":hv9d5kos said:demportdave":hv9d5kos said:Too many fans seem to think that PASOTI is solely for the purpose of praising everything Argyle and in particular, Adams.
I don't agree with that at all Dave.
I think the majority of people on here are fans, fans that don't necessarily want to slag off their team, their manager, their club.
I put myself in that category. I might have my own thoughts about certain aspects of PAFC but I, and I suspect many others don't feel the need to bare their souls on this or any other site, and possibly they feel like me, when they read the same people going on and on about DA/JB/Reuben Reid/Kelvin Mellor/Cheap player/not signing Prem quality players etc etc it gets up their noses.
I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone else, it is just my opinion, but as I say I do suspect others feel the same.
I've met both Up The Line and Balham Green (as examples), UTL is a tidy lad who simply likes to emphasise the negative and BG is simply a miserable sod. :greensmile:
However, they and anyone else is welcome on this site with their opinions but what I do say is that they should expect to get hammered because of their apparent need to revel in bad news rather than good, it's not really the norm to do that when you're a fan. Some people argue it is, I really do believe the vast majority of fans believe it certainly isn't.
PASOTI is here for everyone, and as I say, all our welcome to their opinions. :thumbs:
Rudeness":2zkuchtu said:I don't buy the reasoning that the manager is solely to blame for the poor final third to the season. The facts are we only had 17 players start 10 or more games last season, 5 of which were loanees. We had a small squad that when injury to key players kicked in struggled and tired throughout the season, a small squad that meant we lacked options for player rotation and substitutes to influence games.
The manager clearly knows this is the case and with a full preseason has assembled a genuine squad of players, from my point of view with experience at higher level than this. Hopefully this experience will benefit us more during the crunch moments in the coming season.
One thing Mr Adams will have to address is our home form. 8 defeats including that against an already relegated Dag & Red is what cost us the most. Just four points from those 8 games would have made the difference.
Balham_Green":qltw7h53 said:IJN":qltw7h53 said:demportdave":qltw7h53 said:Too many fans seem to think that PASOTI is solely for the purpose of praising everything Argyle and in particular, Adams.
I don't agree with that at all Dave.
I think the majority of people on here are fans, fans that don't necessarily want to slag off their team, their manager, their club.
I put myself in that category. I might have my own thoughts about certain aspects of PAFC but I, and I suspect many others don't feel the need to bare their souls on this or any other site, and possibly they feel like me, when they read the same people going on and on about DA/JB/Reuben Reid/Kelvin Mellor/Cheap player/not signing Prem quality players etc etc it gets up their noses.
I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone else, it is just my opinion, but as I say I do suspect others feel the same.
I've met both Up The Line and Balham Green (as examples), UTL is a tidy lad who simply likes to emphasise the negative and BG is simply a miserable sod. :greensmile:
However, they and anyone else is welcome on this site with their opinions but what I do say is that they should expect to get hammered because of their apparent need to revel in bad news rather than good, it's not really the norm to do that when you're a fan. Some people argue it is, I really do believe the vast majority of fans believe it certainly isn't.
PASOTI is here for everyone, and as I say, all our welcome to their opinions. :thumbs:
Since that's aimed unnecessarily at me I'll respond!
Cant say I found you a bundle of laughs either! Apart from the recent comment that the pitch cost us promotion. Worrying thing is I think you believe it.
Point is do we want a site which is just a club mouth piece(we all know how well IJN is connected to the club) with happy clappers like pafc 1996 replicating the nonsense on the official site or do we want genuine debate? Its very sad that doubts or concerns raised appear to be seen as treachery which is absolute nonsense.
IJN":1n8v5dr8 said:Balham_Green":1n8v5dr8 said:IJN":1n8v5dr8 said:demportdave":1n8v5dr8 said:Too many fans seem to think that PASOTI is solely for the purpose of praising everything Argyle and in particular, Adams.
I don't agree with that at all Dave.
I think the majority of people on here are fans, fans that don't necessarily want to slag off their team, their manager, their club.
I put myself in that category. I might have my own thoughts about certain aspects of PAFC but I, and I suspect many others don't feel the need to bare their souls on this or any other site, and possibly they feel like me, when they read the same people going on and on about DA/JB/Reuben Reid/Kelvin Mellor/Cheap player/not signing Prem quality players etc etc it gets up their noses.
I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone else, it is just my opinion, but as I say I do suspect others feel the same.
I've met both Up The Line and Balham Green (as examples), UTL is a tidy lad who simply likes to emphasise the negative and BG is simply a miserable sod. :greensmile:
However, they and anyone else is welcome on this site with their opinions but what I do say is that they should expect to get hammered because of their apparent need to revel in bad news rather than good, it's not really the norm to do that when you're a fan. Some people argue it is, I really do believe the vast majority of fans believe it certainly isn't.
PASOTI is here for everyone, and as I say, all our welcome to their opinions. :thumbs:
Since that's aimed unnecessarily at me I'll respond!
Cant say I found you a bundle of laughs either! Apart from the recent comment that the pitch cost us promotion. Worrying thing is I think you believe it.
Point is do we want a site which is just a club mouth piece(we all know how well IJN is connected to the club) with happy clappers like pafc 1996 replicating the nonsense on the official site or do we want genuine debate? Its very sad that doubts or concerns raised appear to be seen as treachery which is absolute nonsense.
Oh dear, all I said was your were a miserable sod (with a smiley I would add :greensmile: ) and you were that day. I was laughing and joking with others as we won 2-0 but you weren't happy with that from memory, you said we had a bad 2nd half. :lol:
As for this site being a club mouth piece, we certainly don't no one does.
As it happens, I have fears about this season, too many changes for my liking, far too many BUT I don't go on and on and on about them like some of you do.
Don't you get it BG, it's not the fact that you guys are being accused of treachery, if we were all in a bar and we saw some miserable bugger saying 'We are crap' time and time again, people would stand up and say 'FFS, stop saying the same thing' or something similar.
I think that's all people are saying.
I'd also point out that guys like you and UTL seem to get pleasure out of misery, that's not normal is it?
IJN":3gaz3v0z said:Balham_Green":3gaz3v0z said:IJN":3gaz3v0z said:demportdave":3gaz3v0z said:Too many fans seem to think that PASOTI is solely for the purpose of praising everything Argyle and in particular, Adams.
I don't agree with that at all Dave.
I think the majority of people on here are fans, fans that don't necessarily want to slag off their team, their manager, their club.
I put myself in that category. I might have my own thoughts about certain aspects of PAFC but I, and I suspect many others don't feel the need to bare their souls on this or any other site, and possibly they feel like me, when they read the same people going on and on about DA/JB/Reuben Reid/Kelvin Mellor/Cheap player/not signing Prem quality players etc etc it gets up their noses.
I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone else, it is just my opinion, but as I say I do suspect others feel the same.
I've met both Up The Line and Balham Green (as examples), UTL is a tidy lad who simply likes to emphasise the negative and BG is simply a miserable sod. :greensmile:
However, they and anyone else is welcome on this site with their opinions but what I do say is that they should expect to get hammered because of their apparent need to revel in bad news rather than good, it's not really the norm to do that when you're a fan. Some people argue it is, I really do believe the vast majority of fans believe it certainly isn't.
PASOTI is here for everyone, and as I say, all our welcome to their opinions. :thumbs:
Since that's aimed unnecessarily at me I'll respond!
Cant say I found you a bundle of laughs either! Apart from the recent comment that the pitch cost us promotion. Worrying thing is I think you believe it.
Point is do we want a site which is just a club mouth piece(we all know how well IJN is connected to the club) with happy clappers like pafc 1996 replicating the nonsense on the official site or do we want genuine debate? Its very sad that doubts or concerns raised appear to be seen as treachery which is absolute nonsense.
Oh dear, all I said was your were a miserable sod (with a smiley I would add :greensmile: ) and you were that day. I was laughing and joking with others as we won 2-0 but you weren't happy with that from memory, you said we had a bad 2nd half. :lol:
As for this site being a club mouth piece, we certainly don't no one does.
As it happens, I have fears about this season, too many changes for my liking, far too many BUT I don't go on and on and on about them like some of you do.
Don't you get it BG, it's not the fact that you guys are being accused of treachery, if we were all in a bar and we saw some miserable bugger saying 'We are crap' time and time again, people would stand up and say 'FFS, stop saying the same thing' or something similar.
I think that's all people are saying.
I'd also point out that guys like you and UTL seem to get pleasure out of misery, that's not normal is it?