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 Post subject: Re: JB - be a man and front up...
PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:55 am 
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I agree with 777, how long should we just bow down to Sir JB 'cos he saved our club?

Chris Webb takes the full brunt of the fans problems, why should he have to?! He's not the one thats in charge on giving the gaffer some money is he?

I too couldnt care less about the matchday experience if we had a decent starting 11.

Answer in bold above :greensmile:


So GEM, we should never show any ambition? never try to compete? Think we've all established the competitive budget was aload of rubbish, why shouldnt we ask these questions?


Ambition? Ofcourse we should.

Compete? Ofcourse we should.

Competitive budget was a load of rubbish? Ofcourse it isnt.

Why shouldnt we ask these questions? ofcourse you should but possibly before pulling the trigger make sure the correct target is in your sights.

It is clear by the size and probable expense of our squad that we have a top end budget. Not as big as Bradfords reported £2million but closer to the reported £1.4million. And certainly higher than the reported average of £1 million. Ofcourse any average has "losers" so Accrington Stanley will have to try to finish 5th again this season with abudget of £650k or, as suggested, less this season. Or high flying Torquay last season within a budget of £750k.

Bristol Rovers budget has been described as competitive although no where near the highest is believed to be in the region of £1.2million.

Now, let me ask a couple of questions:

Was it JB who thought the answer to our goal drought was Feeney and Chadwick?

Did JB scan the available player market and decide who to bring in?

Did JB tell the manager he though hoofball was a more attractive option than the reported "West Ham way"?
Did JB invent the 55% rule to annoy Argyle fans?

Hmmm.


Who appointed the fella that made those decisions?


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The Grumpy Loyal wrote:
tonycholwell wrote:
Hector The Great wrote:
green eyed monster wrote:
Hector The Great wrote:
I agree with 777, how long should we just bow down to Sir JB 'cos he saved our club?

Chris Webb takes the full brunt of the fans problems, why should he have to?! He's not the one thats in charge on giving the gaffer some money is he?

I too couldnt care less about the matchday experience if we had a decent starting 11.

Answer in bold above :greensmile:


So GEM, we should never show any ambition? never try to compete? Think we've all established the competitive budget was aload of rubbish, why shouldnt we ask these questions?


Ambition? Ofcourse we should.

Compete? Ofcourse we should.

Competitive budget was a load of rubbish? Ofcourse it isnt.

Why shouldnt we ask these questions? ofcourse you should but possibly before pulling the trigger make sure the correct target is in your sights.

It is clear by the size and probable expense of our squad that we have a top end budget. Not as big as Bradfords reported £2million but closer to the reported £1.4million. And certainly higher than the reported average of £1 million. Ofcourse any average has "losers" so Accrington Stanley will have to try to finish 5th again this season with abudget of £650k or, as suggested, less this season. Or high flying Torquay last season within a budget of £750k.

Bristol Rovers budget has been described as competitive although no where near the highest is believed to be in the region of £1.2million.

Now, let me ask a couple of questions:

Was it JB who thought the answer to our goal drought was Feeney and Chadwick?

Did JB scan the available player market and decide who to bring in?

Did JB tell the manager he though hoofball was a more attractive option than the reported "West Ham way"?
Did JB invent the 55% rule to annoy Argyle fans?

Hmmm.


Who appointed the fella that made those decisions?


Peter Ridsdale if memory serves me correctly.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:59 am 
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tonycholwell wrote:
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Argyle777 - in the last line of your post you are asking James Brent if he is the one eyed king leading the blind (i'm paraphrasing here). Are you expecting James Brent to reply to your post, or are you just trying to stir up some anti James Brent feeling?


John

I think it was more an attack on fans by the reference to us being blind.

Or not seeing what the poster considers obvious.

Some posters may consider the allusion to blindness may be with the poster concerned.



I read it that Argyle777 is insuating that JB is one eyed and everyone else is blind but I'm unsure. He seems to ask for JB's confirmation of this.

Personally, I think JB has done a great job and people are expecting too much too soon. He is still laying the foundations under considerable financial constraints. The man he has chosen to manage the team is the one who should be questioned about the teams failings as it is him responsible for signing, training and picking the team.


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John_Doe wrote:
tonycholwell wrote:
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Argyle777 - in the last line of your post you are asking James Brent if he is the one eyed king leading the blind (i'm paraphrasing here). Are you expecting James Brent to reply to your post, or are you just trying to stir up some anti James Brent feeling?


John

I think it was more an attack on fans by the reference to us being blind.

Or not seeing what the poster considers obvious.

Some posters may consider the allusion to blindness may be with the poster concerned.



I read it that Argyle777 is insuating that JB is one eyed and everyone else is blind but I'm unsure. He seems to ask for JB's confirmation of this.

Personally, I think JB has done a great job and people are expecting too much too soon. He is still laying the foundations under considerable financial constraints. The man he has chosen to manage the team is the one who should be questioned about the teams failings as it is him responsible for signing, training and picking the team.


You will note from my other posts on this and other threads I agree with you 100%

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The Grumpy Loyal wrote:
tonycholwell wrote:
Hector The Great wrote:
green eyed monster wrote:
Hector The Great wrote:
I agree with 777, how long should we just bow down to Sir JB 'cos he saved our club?

Chris Webb takes the full brunt of the fans problems, why should he have to?! He's not the one thats in charge on giving the gaffer some money is he?

I too couldnt care less about the matchday experience if we had a decent starting 11.

Answer in bold above :greensmile:


So GEM, we should never show any ambition? never try to compete? Think we've all established the competitive budget was aload of rubbish, why shouldnt we ask these questions?


Ambition? Ofcourse we should.

Compete? Ofcourse we should.

Competitive budget was a load of rubbish? Ofcourse it isnt.

Why shouldnt we ask these questions? ofcourse you should but possibly before pulling the trigger make sure the correct target is in your sights.

It is clear by the size and probable expense of our squad that we have a top end budget. Not as big as Bradfords reported £2million but closer to the reported £1.4million. And certainly higher than the reported average of £1 million. Ofcourse any average has "losers" so Accrington Stanley will have to try to finish 5th again this season with abudget of £650k or, as suggested, less this season. Or high flying Torquay last season within a budget of £750k.

Bristol Rovers budget has been described as competitive although no where near the highest is believed to be in the region of £1.2million.

Now, let me ask a couple of questions:

Was it JB who thought the answer to our goal drought was Feeney and Chadwick?

Did JB scan the available player market and decide who to bring in?

Did JB tell the manager he though hoofball was a more attractive option than the reported "West Ham way"?
Did JB invent the 55% rule to annoy Argyle fans?

Hmmm.


Who appointed the fella that made those decisions?


It was Peter Ridsdale.

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2 games played and 1 point taken. Unsurprisingly the pack dogs have turned. I have no special regard for Mr Brent I have never met him. I do know that from the outset he has stated quite clearly that he has not got and will not throw buckets of money at the club.

This time last year I did not believe we would have a club in 12 months time. Am I concerned at certain aspects of the current team - yes. Do I have the money to resolve those issues - no. Nor I suspect does JB. Do the whinnying dogs have the money to resolve the issues - no. In all probability they have never contributed a penny other than gate money.

There is a need to get real. Quality players not only command large transfer fees but also large wages. Not only that most players earning high wages would prefer to do so in an area of the country attractive to young people ie London, Midlands and major Northern Cities. Not only do we have to buy them and pay them but it is a fact established by previous experiences that many do not want to live here.

Not only is it going to be very difficult to strengthen the team with real quality all the same issues apply to the manager role additionally multiplied by the fact that a new manager will face the same restrictions in terms of budget.

Snide comments above JB slipping off to make a few fast bucks and inappropriate and say all we need to know about the people who make them.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:17 pm 
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Deacster wrote:
Deary me what an embarrassing thread title.

Amen to that. Quite depressing and ignorant really. :thumbdown: :mad:


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:22 pm 
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Argyle777 wrote:
Fair dos for CW replying to a previous poster but smacks of same old same old for me.... usual lines trotted out by the prawn sandwich, upper hierachy of Argyle fans brigade. In my opinion some people are too close to JB to give the real facts. Clever, very clever by JB - let CW et al take the heat while he goes about building his projects and making money while suffocating the club. I actually feel sorry for him at times. Just wish JB would stop sinning the yarn with quotes to keep the blinkered PAFC fan happy (cometitive budgets, etc). Stop the cotton wool statements and match day experience cr@p. Id rather stand in a stadium without Ale, without pasties, without Forza whatever and have a half decent side that i think could actually give me HOPE of going somewhere further down the line. At times its the blind leading the blind. However in the land of the blind the 1 eyed man is King isnt he JB...


The first part.... prawn sandwich and people too close to JB and letting CW take the heat.
Answer. It's not an orchestrated campaign by JB to sit back and let everyone else take the heat, that just isn't happening. Those close to JB would have more info and know what is happening behind the scenes and therefore would be able post or speak with authority.

The next part... building projects and making money while suffocating the club and a competitive budget.
Answer. Whether you like it or not football is heading in a new direction, gone are the days of a sugar daddy bankrolling a lower league club.
Football clubs have to operate within their means and we'll be one of the first to do this. We've seen first hand what happened when the club spent more than it earned.
For building projects we get a free grandstand while JB gets a hotel etc. Seems a fair deal to me and many others.

The next part ... matchday experience.
In a crowd of between 5,000 and 7,000 it isn't always about the individual. Many fans want to have an ale, eat a pasty and create an atmosphere. Give the team time and the results will come.

The last part... the blind leading the blind.
JB is a very shrewd and successful business man, he doesn't do failure so have a bit of respect.

I can understand your frustration, although it has only been two games, but your rant is disrespectful and completely without any foundation.

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Just the responses I would expect tbh. JB is a business man without any football pedigree. Respect is not a given it should be earnt. And its fair to say he knows very little about the football side of things. Why shouldnt we question things. I know this site doesn't like conformists, however...


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"respect shouldnt be given, but earnt" Doesn't JB deserve a bit of respect for saving us when no one else would touch us with a barge pole?


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"respect shouldnt be given, but earnt" Doesn't JB deserve a bit of respect for saving us when no one else would touch us with a barge pole?


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Argyle777 wrote:
Fair dos for CW replying to a previous poster but smacks of same old same old for me.... usual lines trotted out by the prawn sandwich, upper hierachy of Argyle fans brigade. In my opinion some people are too close to JB to give the real facts. Clever, very clever by JB - let CW et al take the heat while he goes about building his projects and making money while suffocating the club. I actually feel sorry for him at times. Just wish JB would stop sinning the yarn with quotes to keep the blinkered PAFC fan happy (cometitive budgets, etc). Stop the cotton wool statements and match day experience cr@p. Id rather stand in a stadium without Ale, without pasties, without Forza whatever and have a half decent side that i think could actually give me HOPE of going somewhere further down the line. At times its the blind leading the blind. However in the land of the blind the 1 eyed man is King isnt he JB...

I admire this post for the simple and eloquent way it has explained why Chris Webb has stayed clear of posting. It has also been educational for me too. I was convinced that the very fact that Chris attracts so much praise is that he is "one of us". I never thought I would ever see the terms "prawn sandwich" and "upper hierarchy" in the same sentence as Chris Webb. I always had him down as "inspirational" and "motivational" and will never, ever forget the part he played in saving the club I have followed since 1957 - through good and bad.


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This is one of those threads that should have been deleted from the outset - for quality control reasons.

There are only so many juvenile, sulky, badly-written, ill thought-out, unpunctuated rants one can read after 2 games at the end of August.


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Argyle777 wrote:
Just the responses I would expect tbh. JB is a business man without any football pedigree. Respect is not a given it should be earnt. And its fair to say he knows very little about the football side of things. Why shouldnt we question things. I know this site doesn't like conformists, however...



Just the response I would expect.

I guess we all fell into your trap. :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:00 pm 
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Argyle777 wrote:
Just the responses I would expect tbh. JB is a business man without any football pedigree. Respect is not a given it should be earnt. And its fair to say he knows very little about the football side of things. Why shouldnt we question things. I know this site doesn't like conformists, however...


But surely it isn't just JB who's running the club on his own! There is a board of directors, two of whom have extensive football experience. Look at the club as a whole, not just the head honcho!

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