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Author:  pilgrimage [ Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

Ade the green wrote:
Ave_IT wrote:
TBH I think the soft fruit picking industry is well down the list of things Brexit is going to F*** up.

‘Training’ British youngsters to pick strawberries strikes me as being less of a challenge than meeting demand for scientists, nuclear engineers, electronics engineers, software specialists, doctors, nurses, construction engineers etc. etc etc. etc. etc….. people that keep our state functioning and our economy earning revenue to pay for things like the NHS, police, education etc…

A survey by consultancy firm Deloitte (see below) showed almost half of ‘highly skilled’ EU workers were seriously considering leaving after Brexit and one third of all foreign workers could go. No doubt that will be music to the ears of the bigoted, lame-brains of UKIP that got the nationalist band-wagon rolling in the first place – after all we can now pick and choose who we let in can’t we? Yeah……Right! The survey reports that 65% of highly skilled EU workers now here see the UK as a less attractive place than before the referendum. With our newly devalued currency (thanks again Brexit!), increasing inflation, doubts over the rights of EU citizens, border controls & visa bureaucracy, and a general perception of the UK as becoming insular & unwelcoming that’s hardly surprising is it?

Look across the channel to France – what a contrast in image they now have. France is transforming itself into a business friendly, outward-looking nation. Macron is now a major figure in the world BECAUSE France is a heavyweight inside the EU - not an ‘independent’ island off the coast. It’s power and influence is leveraged. Look at the difference when Trump met Macron compared to the pat on the head he gave to May. Macron looked, sounded, and behaved like an equal and remarkably he even got Trump back-peddling on climate change – this from the oaf that once said it was all a Chinese conspiracy. He had the confidence to gently mock Trump – “let’s make the planet great again!” May on the other hand was fawning & desperate for the ‘big man’ to throw her a bone with some nice sounding words about future trade deals. Oh, how we cheered and cheered when he said that!! :facepalm: ......... France meanwhile is busy touting to take big chunks of our lucrative financial services away - and they are already going. The loss of Euro clearing business from London will make the final ‘divorce bill’ that we WILL pay (whatever that idiot Boris says) look like peanuts.

Sorry, sorry, sorry – another rant – didn’t mean to. This was supposed to be a two-liner. I’m normally a pretty chilled bloke who can easily see other points of view but Brexit pushes all my wrong buttons – nationalism, bigotry, the wilful ignoring of all evidence & logic in favour of ‘alternative facts’ and last, but by no means least, the effect this will have on my kids’ future life choices…….But then again you may be right Green-Matt :oops: - perhaps I do worry too much....... I sincerely hope so.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tte-brexit



As I said before Ave-it, you see the global problems much, much more than I do whereas by being in Plymouth and just over the bridge to Cornwall it always struck me that they were almost 100% leave voters.

Because of the news and my post describing one of the major issues affecting us locally and also because the EU no longer paying into Cornwall in subsidies etc I could not believe what I saw from them. BTW another promise broken, the Government has said there is no agreement to whether those subsidies will be honoured by Westminster or not. My guess is not whilst there's a need for HS3 no doubt meaning it would be quicker to travel from Glasgow to London than Plymouth to Exeter.



Hasn't it recently been discovered that the EU overpaid the subsidies to Cornwall by millions? A good get out clause for the government post Brexit (if it ever happens).

Author:  Balham_Green [ Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

greeneagle wrote:
Strangely enough, the majority of fruitpickers here in Oz are young British kids. Obviously to further support their working holidays.
Perhaps a touch of the carrot and stick (reduced benefits for example). might get them out of bed!!



Yawn. Yes same old right wing argument. Reduce benefits to make them work harder but when the wealthy(bankers etc) are involved we have to pay them MORE or they wont work or will be off to Switzerland etc etc. Try a different record. Have you ever tried living on benefits?

Author:  greeneagle [ Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

Balham_Green wrote:
greeneagle wrote:
Strangely enough, the majority of fruitpickers here in Oz are young British kids. Obviously to further support their working holidays.
Perhaps a touch of the carrot and stick (reduced benefits for example). might get them out of bed!!



Yawn. Yes same old right wing argument. Reduce benefits to make them work harder but when the wealthy(bankers etc) are involved we have to pay them MORE or they wont work or will be off to Switzerland etc etc. Try a different record. Have you ever tried living on benefits?[/quote

Perhaps getting out of bed, working, studying might just help their cause.
Talking about records, yours is almost worn out, try getting up to date with iTunes or suchlike.
You can put yourself on loop!! :whistle:

Author:  Balham_Green [ Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

greeneagle wrote:
Balham_Green wrote:
greeneagle wrote:
Strangely enough, the majority of fruitpickers here in Oz are young British kids. Obviously to further support their working holidays.
Perhaps a touch of the carrot and stick (reduced benefits for example). might get them out of bed!!



Yawn. Yes same old right wing argument. Reduce benefits to make them work harder but when the wealthy(bankers etc) are involved we have to pay them MORE or they wont work or will be off to Switzerland etc etc. Try a different record. Have you ever tried living on benefits?[/quote

Perhaps getting out of bed, working, studying might just help their cause.
Talking about records, yours is almost worn out, try getting up to date with iTunes or suchlike.
You can put yourself on loop!! :whistle:



Yes you are full of originality yourself aren't you, regurgitating Daily Mail and Sun cliches? Try reading something where you might educate yourself perhaps. Actually the unemployment rate in the Uk is very low in case you hadn't noticed but don't let the facts get in the way of your ramblings.

Author:  Balham_Green [ Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

Balham_Green wrote:
greeneagle wrote:
Balham_Green wrote:
greeneagle wrote:
Strangely enough, the majority of fruitpickers here in Oz are young British kids. Obviously to further support their working holidays.
Perhaps a touch of the carrot and stick (reduced benefits for example). might get them out of bed!!



Yawn. Yes same old right wing argument. Reduce benefits to make them work harder but when the wealthy(bankers etc) are involved we have to pay them MORE or they wont work or will be off to Switzerland etc etc. Try a different record. Have you ever tried living on benefits?[/quote

Perhaps getting out of bed, working, studying might just help their cause.
Talking about records, yours is almost worn out, try getting up to date with iTunes or suchlike.
You can put yourself on loop!! :whistle:



Yes you are full of originality yourself aren't you, regurgitating Daily Mail and Sun cliches? Try reading something where you might educate yourself perhaps. Actually the unemployment rate in the Uk is very low in case you hadn't noticed but don't let the facts get in the way of your ignorant ramblings. I see you didnt answer the question about whether you yourself have ever had to live on benefits.

Author:  greeneagle [ Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

Balham_Green wrote:
Balham_Green wrote:
greeneagle wrote:
Balham_Green wrote:
greeneagle wrote:
Strangely enough, the majority of fruitpickers here in Oz are young British kids. Obviously to further support their working holidays.
Perhaps a touch of the carrot and stick (reduced benefits for example). might get them out of bed!!



Yawn. Yes same old right wing argument. Reduce benefits to make them work harder but when the wealthy(bankers etc) are involved we have to pay them MORE or they wont work or will be off to Switzerland etc etc. Try a different record. Have you ever tried living on benefits?[/quote

Perhaps getting out of bed, working, studying might just help their cause.
Talking about records, yours is almost worn out, try getting up to date with iTunes or suchlike.
You can put yourself on loop!! :whistle:[/


Yes you are full of originality yourself aren't you, regurgitating Daily Mail and Sun cliches? Try reading something where you might educate yourself perhaps. Actually the unemployment rate in the Uk is very low in case you hadn't noticed but don't let the facts get in the way of your ignorant ramblings. I see you didnt answer the question about whether you yourself have ever had to live on benefits.


Sorry to disappoint BG, only paper I read is the Australian, similar to the Times. Of course the youth unemployment is far far higher, perhaps you need to educate yourself and stop reading lefty rags.
Good to see you are on loop :D

Author:  Biggs [ Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

greeneagle wrote:
Sorry to disappoint BG, only paper I read is the Australian, similar to the Times. Of course the youth unemployment is far far higher, perhaps you need to educate yourself and stop reading lefty rags.


Oh dear... :lol:

As Rupert Murdoch mouthpieces go, the Australian is possibly right at the top of the list given he's owned it for 52 years.

I wouldn't take seriously anyone who only reads one source of news anyway, but this particular sole source of news is toxic. Green Eagle, you can't possibly think you're getting a balanced view of the world just from reading The Australian, can you?

And anyone who seriously thinks youth unemployment can be fixed by 'perhaps getting out of bed, working, studying' is dangerously stupid and/or uninformed.

Author:  Balham_Green [ Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

Biggs wrote:
greeneagle wrote:
Sorry to disappoint BG, only paper I read is the Australian, similar to the Times. Of course the youth unemployment is far far higher, perhaps you need to educate yourself and stop reading lefty rags.


Oh dear... :lol:

As Rupert Murdoch mouthpieces go, the Australian is possibly right at the top of the list given he's owned it for 52 years.

I wouldn't take seriously anyone who only reads one source of news anyway, but this particular sole source of news is toxic. Green Eagle, you can't possibly think you're getting a balanced view of the world just from reading The Australian, can you?

And anyone who seriously thinks youth unemployment can be fixed by 'perhaps getting out of bed, working, studying' is dangerously stupid and/or uninformed.



He doesnt want a 'balanced view of the world' Biggs. Just to reinforce his own stereotypes. You hit the the nail on the head with your last comment. Both apply.

Author:  greeneagle [ Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

As usual, silly, incorrect assumptions made.
Still, you two do make me smile.
Keep your head under the covers boys and don't get up too early :D

Anyway, off topic so concentrate on life post Brexit :whistle:

Author:  Balham_Green [ Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

greeneagle wrote:
As usual, silly, incorrect assumptions made.
Still, you two do make me smile.
Keep your head under the covers boys and don't get up too early :D

Anyway, off topic so concentrate on life post Brexit :whistle:




Glad we make you smile. Dont you worry I do a full days work and no doubt work as hard as you ever have done. You just stay focused on your own situation I suggest.

Author:  gandalf_the_green [ Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

The fully electric mini is to be built in Oxford,bad news for the remoaners.

Author:  Ave_IT [ Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

gandalf_the_green wrote:
The fully electric mini is to be built in Oxford,bad news for the remoaners.

Why is that bad news?? You just don’t seem to get it……. The ‘Remoaners’ are every bit as patriotic as the chest thumping, flag-waving Brexiteers and desperately want the UK to succeed & thrive. So why would news that a company will continue with its previous plans despite Brexit be bad news? The difference is (IMHO) we’ve got the brains to look ahead.......

BMW have already made it abundantly clear the dangers of Brexit and that tariff free movement in the future is crucial. In this case the new parts of the design (the electric motor) will be manufactured in Germany then shipped to Cowley for assembly which makes sense as they already have Production lines set-up for that, so little extra equipment or investment is required. BUT – BIG BUT – after Brexit those motors will be imported to the UK and the cars will then be exported back to the EU…….. Can you guess the problem that might pose? …. and then just how long do you suppose BMW will tolerate any tariff costs & customs checks before moving the whole thing to Germany (or anywhere else in the whole of the EU)??

Author:  gandalf_the_green [ Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Post EU Vote

Ave_IT wrote:
gandalf_the_green wrote:
The fully electric mini is to be built in Oxford,bad news for the remoaners.

Why is that bad news?? You just don’t seem to get it……. The ‘Remoaners’ are every bit as patriotic as the chest thumping, flag-waving Brexiteers and desperately want the UK to succeed & thrive. So why would news that a company will continue with its previous plans despite Brexit be bad news? The difference is (IMHO) we’ve got the brains to look ahead.......

BMW have already made it abundantly clear the dangers of Brexit and that tariff free movement in the future is crucial. In this case the new parts of the design (the electric motor) will be manufactured in Germany then shipped to Cowley for assembly which makes sense as they already have Production lines set-up for that, so little extra equipment or investment is required. BUT – BIG BUT – after Brexit those motors will be imported to the UK and the cars will then be exported back to the EU…….. Can you guess the problem that might pose? …. and then just how long do you suppose BMW will tolerate any tariff costs & customs checks before moving the whole thing to Germany (or anywhere else in the whole of the EU)??


Still an element of moan there,or maybe in this case it could be future doom and gloom.You never know Ave _IT things might work out fine.

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