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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:25 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:27 am 
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Over 300000 migrant workers are employed nationally every year to harvest crops and the numbers of those willing and able to to give up their benefits to do back breaking work will be?????

A very telling statement and question Ade!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:02 am 
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Over 300000 migrant workers are employed nationally every year to harvest crops and the numbers of those willing and able to to give up their benefits to do back breaking work will be?????

A very telling statement and question Ade!

I would like to see the government come up with an imaginative scheme to encourage workers to do seasonal work. We farmed for centuries without mass immigration and we can do it again. Another idea would be to encourage school leavers to get some work experience. All of which may be difficult but surely preferable to the current model.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:13 pm 
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Green_Matt wrote:
greeneagle wrote:
Over 300000 migrant workers are employed nationally every year to harvest crops and the numbers of those willing and able to to give up their benefits to do back breaking work will be?????

A very telling statement and question Ade!

I would like to see the government come up with an imaginative scheme to encourage workers to do seasonal work. We farmed for centuries without mass immigration and we can do it again. Another idea would be to encourage school leavers to get some work experience. All of which may be difficult but surely preferable to the current model.



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Green_Matt wrote:
greeneagle wrote:
Over 300000 migrant workers are employed nationally every year to harvest crops and the numbers of those willing and able to to give up their benefits to do back breaking work will be?????

A very telling statement and question Ade!

I would like to see the government come up with an imaginative scheme to encourage workers to do seasonal work. We farmed for centuries without mass immigration and we can do it again. Another idea would be to encourage school leavers to get some work experience. All of which may be difficult but surely preferable to the current model.



Yeah great idea! We could let them have accommodation in big houses where all the workers could stay. Errmmm, what to call them?? .. ahh, Workhouses ... that's it, brilliant, all coming together now!!
Yes I read Thomas Hardy at school and he just went on and on about what a great life it was being a peasant and working as casual farm labour. Down the market of a Saturday to sell the wife!! Great halcyon days that we should all be proud of! With any luck Theresa Mayhem will get us back to that golden era.

As you say, better than the current model where fellow Europeans who are willing to work can earn a few quid by coming over here and taking all the jobs from us good ole Brits who would never do that job in a month of Sundays!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:07 pm 
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The point is that British people used to do those jobs. I never mentioned workhouses.

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The point is that British people used to do those jobs. I never mentioned workhouses.



The 'Natives' used to work on farms all their lives, their families before them, children after them. Tied cottages and poor pay. But a life of sorts.
The farmers got tractors etc. Now they only need 'hands' (Hans??) a few weeks a year.

The Euroworker 'Model' has worked well for years although one suspects the influence of Gangmasters in the market.

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Wave bye bye to British soft fruit! :wave:


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Strangely enough, the majority of fruitpickers here in Oz are young British kids. Obviously to further support their working holidays.
Perhaps a touch of the carrot and stick (reduced benefits for example). might get them out of bed!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:33 pm 
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British kids won't do it, I wouldn't do it, you wouldn't do it.
Wave bye bye to British soft fruit! :wave:


I, and many of my friends did!
But then, we were brought up in hard times, on small holdings in Cornwall that seldom paid.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:55 am 
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TBH I think the soft fruit picking industry is well down the list of things Brexit is going to F*** up.

‘Training’ British youngsters to pick strawberries strikes me as being less of a challenge than meeting demand for scientists, nuclear engineers, electronics engineers, software specialists, doctors, nurses, construction engineers etc. etc etc. etc. etc….. people that keep our state functioning and our economy earning revenue to pay for things like the NHS, police, education etc…

A survey by consultancy firm Deloitte (see below) showed almost half of ‘highly skilled’ EU workers were seriously considering leaving after Brexit and one third of all foreign workers could go. No doubt that will be music to the ears of the bigoted, lame-brains of UKIP that got the nationalist band-wagon rolling in the first place – after all we can now pick and choose who we let in can’t we? Yeah……Right! The survey reports that 65% of highly skilled EU workers now here see the UK as a less attractive place than before the referendum. With our newly devalued currency (thanks again Brexit!), increasing inflation, doubts over the rights of EU citizens, border controls & visa bureaucracy, and a general perception of the UK as becoming insular & unwelcoming that’s hardly surprising is it?

Look across the channel to France – what a contrast in image they now have. France is transforming itself into a business friendly, outward-looking nation. Macron is now a major figure in the world BECAUSE France is a heavyweight inside the EU - not an ‘independent’ island off the coast. It’s power and influence is leveraged. Look at the difference when Trump met Macron compared to the pat on the head he gave to May. Macron looked, sounded, and behaved like an equal and remarkably he even got Trump back-peddling on climate change – this from the oaf that once said it was all a Chinese conspiracy. He had the confidence to gently mock Trump – “let’s make the planet great again!” May on the other hand was fawning & desperate for the ‘big man’ to throw her a bone with some nice sounding words about future trade deals. Oh, how we cheered and cheered when he said that!! :facepalm: ......... France meanwhile is busy touting to take big chunks of our lucrative financial services away - and they are already going. The loss of Euro clearing business from London will make the final ‘divorce bill’ that we WILL pay (whatever that idiot Boris says) look like peanuts.

Sorry, sorry, sorry – another rant – didn’t mean to. This was supposed to be a two-liner. I’m normally a pretty chilled bloke who can easily see other points of view but Brexit pushes all my wrong buttons – nationalism, bigotry, the wilful ignoring of all evidence & logic in favour of ‘alternative facts’ and last, but by no means least, the effect this will have on my kids’ future life choices…….But then again you may be right Green-Matt :oops: - perhaps I do worry too much....... I sincerely hope so.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:08 am 
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Ave_IT wrote:
TBH I think the soft fruit picking industry is well down the list of things Brexit is going to F*** up.

‘Training’ British youngsters to pick strawberries strikes me as being less of a challenge than meeting demand for scientists, nuclear engineers, electronics engineers, software specialists, doctors, nurses, construction engineers etc. etc etc. etc. etc….. people that keep our state functioning and our economy earning revenue to pay for things like the NHS, police, education etc…

A survey by consultancy firm Deloitte (see below) showed almost half of ‘highly skilled’ EU workers were seriously considering leaving after Brexit and one third of all foreign workers could go. No doubt that will be music to the ears of the bigoted, lame-brains of UKIP that got the nationalist band-wagon rolling in the first place – after all we can now pick and choose who we let in can’t we? Yeah……Right! The survey reports that 65% of highly skilled EU workers now here see the UK as a less attractive place than before the referendum. With our newly devalued currency (thanks again Brexit!), increasing inflation, doubts over the rights of EU citizens, border controls & visa bureaucracy, and a general perception of the UK as becoming insular & unwelcoming that’s hardly surprising is it?

Look across the channel to France – what a contrast in image they now have. France is transforming itself into a business friendly, outward-looking nation. Macron is now a major figure in the world BECAUSE France is a heavyweight inside the EU - not an ‘independent’ island off the coast. It’s power and influence is leveraged. Look at the difference when Trump met Macron compared to the pat on the head he gave to May. Macron looked, sounded, and behaved like an equal and remarkably he even got Trump back-peddling on climate change – this from the oaf that once said it was all a Chinese conspiracy. He had the confidence to gently mock Trump – “let’s make the planet great again!” May on the other hand was fawning & desperate for the ‘big man’ to throw her a bone with some nice sounding words about future trade deals. Oh, how we cheered and cheered when he said that!! :facepalm: ......... France meanwhile is busy touting to take big chunks of our lucrative financial services away - and they are already going. The loss of Euro clearing business from London will make the final ‘divorce bill’ that we WILL pay (whatever that idiot Boris says) look like peanuts.

Sorry, sorry, sorry – another rant – didn’t mean to. This was supposed to be a two-liner. I’m normally a pretty chilled bloke who can easily see other points of view but Brexit pushes all my wrong buttons – nationalism, bigotry, the wilful ignoring of all evidence & logic in favour of ‘alternative facts’ and last, but by no means least, the effect this will have on my kids’ future life choices…….But then again you may be right Green-Matt :oops: - perhaps I do worry too much....... I sincerely hope so.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tte-brexit



As I said before Ave-it, you see the global problems much, much more than I do whereas by being in Plymouth and just over the bridge to Cornwall it always struck me that they were almost 100% leave voters.

Because of the news and my post describing one of the major issues affecting us locally and also because the EU no longer paying into Cornwall in subsidies etc I could not believe what I saw from them. BTW another promise broken, the Government has said there is no agreement to whether those subsidies will be honoured by Westminster or not. My guess is not whilst there's a need for HS3 no doubt meaning it would be quicker to travel from Glasgow to London than Plymouth to Exeter.

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If our children choose to live/study abroad and those countries actually want them then they will be able to do so.

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If our children choose to live/study abroad and those countries actually want them then they will be able to do so.



IF they qualify for a visa!

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