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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:41 pm 
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Heres a video for brexiteers on trade prospects after brexit. Remainers look away now.
Its a bit heavy going to follow at times but shankar singham explains what brexit might need to look like.
Sir lockwood smith then describes how new zealands economy was transformed and then flourished over time using these methods.
I would like both these guys in our negotiating team. Shankar i have seen before as an expert in a brexit select committee hearing. Very impressive.
Apparently worked for the US before on free trade deals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xWgJHGbktg


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:23 am 

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An interesting read.

https://wealth.goldmoney.com/research/g ... -on-brexit


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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 11:21 pm 

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Talking about the EU Hierarchy Varoufakis says:
For all their concerns with rules,treaties,processes,competiveness,freedom of movement,terrorism etc,only one prospect truly terrifies them:Democracy.
This is the underlying fault line of the EU, non elected representatives having total control of the EU operations with the council of ministers rubber stamping thier work through a policy of ignorance. TM as our elected official will have to negoitiate with the EU non elected officials, it is not going to work. TM will have to keep looking over her back at the electorate, whilst the EU officials are only concerned with their pensions and expenses.
Her only strong negoitiating point is the 60/70B $ of NATO contributions paid by the UK each year, now before anybody says they are a totally different financial structure, remember in high level negoitiationd you will call up assistance from the devil if you have to and its our only big card.

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 4:42 pm 
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Talking about the EU Hierarchy Varoufakis says:
This is the underlying fault line of the EU, non elected representatives having total control of the EU operations with the council of ministers rubber stamping thier work through a policy of ignorance. TM as our elected official will have to negoitiate with the EU non elected officials, it is not going to work. TM will have to keep looking over her back at the electorate, whilst the EU officials are only concerned with their pensions and expenses.
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That's an over simplification. The EU council of ministers is made up from the elected heads of the member countries. Do you think only Theresa May has to "keep looking over her back at the electorate"? They are not just going to rubber stamp anything.

You can't have it both ways. One minute the accusation is the EU is 'undemocratic' the next the complaint is it is unwieldy and inefficient having to pass laws acceptable to 28 member states. In many ways the EU suffers from too much democracy with power distributed between the 'commission' (made up from single nominated members from each member state) that proposes laws which are then passed to the EU parliament (directly elected members from each country) and also to the Council of ministers. Legislation can and does get bounced back and forth between these bodies - countries with the biggest population having proportionately more clout. The UK was soon to be the SECOND biggest player in the biggest free market in the world for this reason.............. until we threw our toys out.

There's a very real danger that after agonising negotiations over Brexit a deal will be struck by the Council only for it to be thrown out by the Parliament. That's why nobody in the EU seriously believes it can be done in just two years (well less - the clock started in March).They take it as read that some kind of interim period will be needed.....something we don't seem to have grasped yet.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:59 am 

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You are of course correct in the wider picture, I was only addressing the first phase with UK elected members having to discuss membership with unelected civil servants, its like having to ask the butler if you can leave the table for a pee. Surely the initial discussions should have been with the Council of Ministers to agree an outline plan for disengagement and forward co-operation, and then passed to civil servants to work out the detailed plan.

Regarding your point on to much democracy, a parallel would be: mankind needs food to live, however too much food kills, democracy is best served by a single phase of elections, putting into place a representative ( elected by a proportional representation system) to carry out further development.

On your last point I agree entirely in 2 years they will be lucky to agree a dinner menu.

I have always thought EU was a good idea, it has always been the workings of unelected civil servants that I have objected too, the Council of Ministers have failed to provide the leadership required for such a complex organisation.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:43 am 
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UK inflation rises to four-year high of 2.9%

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:42 pm 
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So the Brexit talks begin again……… what now? Well a few things have changed……

Firstly it strikes me that it is now taken as a ‘given’ by virtually all sides – former Remainers and Leavers alike - that leaving the EU without any agreement and falling back onto WTO trade rules would be pretty disastrous for the UK economy. Even Michael Gove this morning agreed that that would be the case but strangely he was gripped with amnesia when he claimed that nobody had seriously claimed otherwise. Really? Weren’t we told how being outside the EU and its meddling rules would give us ample opportunities to quickly forge splendiferous new trade agreements with the rest of the world that would compensate for the 48% of our exports that currently go to the EU? I was under the impression Donald Trump, Xi Jinping etc. were just gagging for the chance to start importing vast quatities of goods & services from the UK but were currently prevented from doing so by EU bureaucrats.

Secondly, there is a change of tone in recognition that the urgency to get a deal done with the EU is quite one sided. All that stuff about how the EU couldn’t cope without us and would be forced to eat humble pie and give us a good deal seems to have died down and a realisation is dawning that actually ………. well, maybe, as a combined market of 27 other nations they could reluctantly shrug off a Brexit and for them it wouldn’t seem quite like the cliff edge that we are looking over. Hence even the Brexiteers are already talking of an ‘interim deal’ ……..

Thirdly, there is a growing realisation that those 27 disparate, quarrelling bunch of undemocratic countries that couldn’t agree on a lunch menu actually share a common purpose – in fact they have quietly and efficiently all agreed on how they intend to conduct the negotiations. They’ve drawn up their clear, unambiguous goals & their red lines and put them on the table for us to respond to - their biggest problem is waiting for us to get our act together to decide what the F’eck we actually want and who has the authority to negotiate it.

Finally our election has thrown everything up in the air. We now have the DUP demanding as a minimum a “frictionless” NI border which, by definition, must mean free movement of people & no customs barriers with an EU member state. We have the Labour party and big hitters in the Tory party - like the rising star Ruth Davidson (who successfully delivered her 12 Scottish Tories) - also calling for a ‘soft’ Brexit which means membership of the single market. Unfortunately they haven’t yet got their heads around the fact the EU will simply not allow that without a) paying into the EU, b) allowing free movement of people & goods and c) abiding by EU laws & regulations………... and if we swallow that we will now have no say whatsoever in how it’s run. All the bull about “getting the best possible deal for the UK” is just nonsense – we already have the best possible deal INSIDE the EU so anything we do manage to get MUST be worse. I note that the EU are already making moves to remove the vast Euro clearing business from the city of London – a business which processes a mere £900 BILLION PER DAY & supports 100,000 jobs for the UK economy :facepalm:

I still wouldn’t bet against another vote in the future when the harsh realities come crashing home – when real jobs, real money, real wealth are impacted then the flag-waving ‘democratic mandate’ of the 37.4% of the electorate who actually voted to Leave the EU (whatever-the-F they thought that meant) might be seen to carry less weight by the majority that did not - not to mention the 2.9 million EU residents in the UK who were denied a vote (but were allowed one in the Scottish referendum - ditto for the 16 to 18 year olds) or the 564,000 new 18 year-olds by March 2017 which would be a demographic heavily seen as pro-Remain; and a similar number of deaths since, the vast majority aged over 65 which was a demographic that voted heavily for Leave……

So sorry for all this ‘surrender monkey’ bleating (can monkeys bleat ?) - but nothing has changed my view the Brexit vote was a profound mistake we will bitterly regret – but that’s what you get when you ignore the warnings of virtually every expert analysis and just trust in blind faith and nationalism.

Another Re-moaner rant over.... doubtless another will be along shortly …… :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:24 pm 
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Since Brexit vote this year FTSE 100 up twenty per cent FTSE250 up sixteen point five per cent FTSE350 up 17 point two. Information from financial times prior to the election.


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Very good if you're a shareholder. What about the pound against the dollar or the Euro you know the kind of currencies we have to use if we want to buy anything from overseas, like oil for example?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:24 pm 
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We are all shareholders in some sense if its only like mine in a pension pot. I do not think for one minute that everything is going to sail on the good ship lollypop smoothly for us but neither do I think everything is going to be doom and gloom like some would have us believe. Hence me quoting the FTSE. Everybody has got an opinion whether things will be for the better or for the worse in the long term, I happen to believe at the end of the day it will be better for us but as I said its just an opinion.


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Sure but the currency devaluation has led to the 2.9% inflation rate - ahead of what was expected. I realise of course that "what was expected" covers a multitude of possibilities but it's looking more likely that interest rates will start to rise again. Anybody under 30 will have no experience of this but I wonder what impact a rate rise would have on most people whether they voted in or out, we're all going to cop it! Well I'm not as my mortgage is paid off, I'm retired and in a final salary pension scheme!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:27 am 
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Time for another RANT ……… sorry (I will try and keep it short) but I’ve just come out of a meeting in which our MD who told us how we are going to lose “several millions” when Brexit happens.

Just to set the context I’m a design engineer at a high tech company that is THE world leader in satellite signal simulations - we employ about 110 & export virtually all our products & services all over the world to major technology companies that are household names aswell as to the space agencies like NASA & ESA . Our biggest market is in the US, but we sell to much of Asia, India, China, Russia and of course the EU. In other words - exactly the sort of high value added, high skilled growth company this country needs if it is to prosper. When Brexit happens we will no longer be able to supply the secure signals technology for our EU satellite simulators. The working ‘solution’ will be that we set-up a small site inside the EU & recruit EU engineers and (hopefully) try to get round the rules by treating it as a ‘sister’ company (we do this in the US) – or we will have to collaborate with a partner inside the EU (and effectively hand over some key parts of our expertise).

F***ING BRILLIANT !!!! ………………THIS IS WHAT BREXIT REALLY MEANS !!!!............... ABSOLUTE BRAIN-DEAD STUPIDITY !!!!!

OK – calm down…………. deep breaths……………. Count to ten……….

Rant over…………… until the next one !!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:34 pm 
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Ave_IT wrote:
Time for another RANT ……… sorry (I will try and keep it short) but I’ve just come out of a meeting in which our MD who told us how we are going to lose “several million” when Brexit happens.

Just to set the context I’m a design engineer at a high tech company that is THE world leader in satellite signal simulations - we employ about 110 & export virtually all our products & services all over the world to major technology companies that are household names aswell as to the space agencies like NASA & ESA . Our biggest market is in the US, but we sell to much of Asia, India, China, Russia and of course the EU. In other words - exactly the sort of high value added, high skilled growth company this country needs if it is to prosper. When Brexit happens we will no longer be able to supply the secure signals technology for our EU satellite simulators. The working ‘solution’ will be that we set-up a small site inside the EU & recruit EU engineers and (hopefully) try to get round the rules by treating it as a ‘sister’ company (we do this in the US) – or we will have to collaborate with a partner inside the EU (and effectively hand over some key parts of our expertise).

F***ING BRILLIANT !!!! ………………THIS IS WHAT BREXIT REALLY MEANS !!!!............... ABSOLUTE BRAIN-DEAD STUPIDITY !!!!!

OK – calm down…………. deep breaths……………. Count to ten……….

Rant over…………… until the next one !!



I obviously do not share your intelligence or expertise so in every way leaving the EU should be less painful for me. However, since the process has began then stalled then started up again it is generating the sort of patterns that were warned about in the time running up to the referendum that was considered project fear.

My doctors surgery only now appears to have practice nurses due to the doctors having decided to return to Germany etc. Having to renew my passport now makes me realise that I will have to get a visa to travel to our nearest neighbours even though I live 10 minutes from a continental ferry port. The warnings from the Sainsbury CEO about produce availability, quality and price are going to start hammering into everyone how atrocious life will be in the most mundane of behaviours and last week someone in the government said the unemployed should be taken on to cover the seasonal workers in the farms in Cornwall and the numbers needed shocked me. Over 300000 migrant workers are employed nationally every year to harvest crops and the numbers of those willing and able to to give up their benefits to do back breaking work will be?????

I am still in shock that this country Government has turned it's back on being one of the major players in the world scale and decided to isolate themselves period and whilst the government goes from one shocking revelation to the next whereby Europe is proving they can live without us and those in government cannot or will not see the peril this is putting us in.

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