clever boy arent we, lets here your contribution...
uhh uhh 'aliens' uh huh
duh 'moon landing' duh huh

there we are then!

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Please don't lose sight that 96 people died at Hillsborough!!!

Truth is out now hold those accountable to charges

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Now we have a better understanding of what happened at Hillsborough perhaps the Liverpool fans can tell the truth about Heysel and give hope to the parents of the 39 men, women and children that died in that awful tragedy???? No chance, it wasn't their fault of course.

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Whats to tell, people have gone to prison and the truth has never being witheld about Heysel. Where have the Liverpool fans tried to cover up anything? The parents of the 39 people who died have always know that rioting Liverpool fans were to blame.

Maybe your to young to remember the scenes at Hillsborough that day, or maybe you beleive Liverpool fans got what they deserve as payback for Heysel.

Either way your post shows a poor understanding of both tragedies.

Really, you got all that from my post? You actually think I would want people to die as payback? Nice, no really!

Athens 2007, thousands of Liverpool fans refused entry to the ground because over 5000 fake tickets has been used to get into the ground. Police closed the ground in fear of a disaster with the ground overfilling. Does this sound familiar?

My point is all we hear is Liverpool fans saying they are never guilty and in Hillsboroughs case the police have admitted responsibility but it's convenient for them to forget about Heysel (which was their fault) and their behaviour at grounds around Europe since.

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care to elaborate? I'm not saying they were completely blameless but what caused Hysel was infact non existent stewarding and inept policing among many others,thousands of ticket-less fans of both sides just walked in with out being questioned, there was very poor segregation and the whole thing was disorganized.
BOTH sets of supporters had been involved in trouble before the game with the notorious italian 'ultras' definitely there in full force with the single aim of causing trouble (the final year year before in Rome Italian fans had slashed liverpool fans as young as 12 with stanley blades) understandable liverpool who were largely unknown for trouble in an era when it was rife were ready to defend themselves.
Inside the ground BOTH sets of supporters had running battles before the game with the police seemingly gawping on and no stewards or organisation of any kind.
Most importantly is the stadium itself, an unfit for purpose dump. What actually caused the deaths of the Juventus fans was after several waves of attacks between the unsegregated and unpoliced rival supporters a surge of fans ran away from the trouble over a wall, the state of the stadium was so beyond its sell by date it (the wall) literally just crumbled and fell over crush those on the other side. Thats what killed everyone of them. It could just have as easily been liverpool fans on that side being killed.
So quite how it was Liverpools fault I'd love to hear why?
It was symptomatic of the absolutely shocking amateurish way matches were allowed to continue in those days and yes the fans of both sides were also involved but to blame them for what happened is nonsense.

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The reason we hear about Hillsborough is because the truth didn't come out. Where have Liverpool fans every said that they aren't guilty? (other then Hillsborough). Should they be denied justice because they caused trouble in the past and will again in the future?

You refer to Athens and ask if it sounds familiar, familiar to what may I ask? The lie (and that police lied is now proven fact) the the police told about Hillsborough?

How many fake tickets were flying about at the Rugby World Cup final is Paris a few years ago? It not just Liverpool fans who have fake tickets.

Familiar to most of the games in the 80's where plenty of fans of big clubs turned up and got in without tickets. As it would have been at that day in Sheffield. Did Liverpool fans put their hands up and say yes there was too many of us, but the police were shit? No they said they were totally free from blame and that's what grates with many people. Of course after Hillsborough Liverpool have been a shining example of a team learning from this awful experience and have behaved perfectly since. Bulgaria anyone?

RIP to the 96.

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I dont think anyones saying they're saints but if youre saying that by just turning up they're guilty then we must all be, I know I've turned up to dozens of games without a ticket,usually because back then you didnt need on you just paid on the gate as I have done at Anfeild, White Hart Lane,Highbury etc.

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Liverpool fans are totally innocent of any blame for Hillsborough. Other disasters should have seperate threads if people want to talk about them.

The real scandal is that the vile scum who ordered the cover up and violated the corpses of children with alcohol tests will never go to prison. 96 people died. Many of these could have been saved if the first reaction of their authorities had not been "we need to cover ourselves from blame".

Nice to see Kelvin Mackenzie get such an understanding reception to his "apology"!

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Fair enough Womble.

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Care to explain? I thought the police were just being incompetent.

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I thought it had been made very clear that they lied through their teeth at every possible turn for 23 years.

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