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Hillsborough verdicts.

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I see that the jury has reached a decision on all 14 counts, including - apparently by majority (i.e. not unanimously) re the actions of the Chief Constable, David Duckenfield)

[edited to add this link] Cover up: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... story.html

Key people: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... versy.html

The Coroner has said that the verdicts will be announced tomorrow (26th April).

This is a huge day for our sport, and I really pray that the families of the 96 get justice.

Would it be OK to leave this thread on the main board for a few days, given its importance to all members of the football family? Thanks.
 

meetoo

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Green Rhino":3goluzhb said:
I see that the jury has reached a decision on all 14 counts, including - apparently by majority (i.e. not unanimously) re the actions of the Chief Constable, David Duckenfield)

see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... versy.html

The Coroner has said that the verdicts will be announced tomorrow (26th April).

This is a huge day for our sport, and I really pray that the families of the 96 get justice.

Would it be OK to leave this thread on the main board for a few days, given its importance to all members of the football family? Thanks.

Bear in mind it also includes the behaviour of the fans....
 
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Justice is coming. Don't ever buy the rag that is the S*n.
 
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meetoo":2b7nncz2 said:
Green Rhino":2b7nncz2 said:
I see that the jury has reached a decision on all 14 counts, including - apparently by majority (i.e. not unanimously) re the actions of the Chief Constable, David Duckenfield)

see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... versy.html

The Coroner has said that the verdicts will be announced tomorrow (26th April).

This is a huge day for our sport, and I really pray that the families of the 96 get justice.

Would it be OK to leave this thread on the main board for a few days, given its importance to all members of the football family? Thanks.

Bear in mind it also includes the behaviour of the fans....

Was that even brought up?

It certainly wasn't mentioned in the media coverage of the inquests. I've watched the updates while they've reported on the ongoing process and I noted throughout that the actions of authorities have bern reported but the actions of the fans got nothing.

Maybe the former was more 'newsworthy' but in nothing i've seen or heard from the inquest reporting did I get a sense of my experience of going to football matches in the 80's. Health and safety back then was an afterthought by modern standards but the general behaviour of fans in and around grounds was appalling by modern standards.

No doubt some retired police officers and stadium officials will get hung out to dry but I wonder over the years what's been going through the minds of the thousands of Liverpool fans who turned up late, many without tickets who barged through that gate. Whether it was opened rightly or wrongly is one thing, knowing your selfish actions on the day contributed to deaths must sit heavy on the mind.

Maybe over the decades a revisionist outlook has come to the fore, much like in the media reporting it.
 
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I think both sets of groups were to blame. The authorities did not do enough to keep fans safe and then tired to cover it up. And the Liverpool fans that also caused this disaster by not acting in the right way

It's still a tragedy and no person should ever go to a football game and end up never coming home again
 
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It was awful, one of those 'I know where I was when i heard X happened' moments we all have in our lives (being driven home from a game).

My thoughts at the time were that this was going to happen somewhere sooner or later, such was the 'wild west' that was attending football then. No matter how shocking i was not entirely surprised.

It's glib I know to talk about good coming out of tragedy, but if any small crumb of comfort can come to those families it's that lives have been saved elsewhere because of Hillsborough.

As mentioned above though, I just hope the outcome is even handed because no one constituent party comes out of that day without blame.
 
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meetoo":12kzqlnq said:
Green Rhino":12kzqlnq said:
I see that the jury has reached a decision on all 14 counts, including - apparently by majority (i.e. not unanimously) re the actions of the Chief Constable, David Duckenfield)

see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... versy.html

The Coroner has said that the verdicts will be announced tomorrow (26th April).

This is a huge day for our sport, and I really pray that the families of the 96 get justice.

Would it be OK to leave this thread on the main board for a few days, given its importance to all members of the football family? Thanks.

Bear in mind it also includes the behaviour of the fans....

Duckenfield as Game Commander made the decision to open the gates at the Lepping Lane End, but nobody knows exactly what the late arrival spectators would have done had he decided not to take that step. I think there would have been a riot, but that would have been a lesser outcome, to the tragic loss of life
 

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It was a truly awful day and at that time it was going to happen somewhere.

We had our Clock End incident and at Ashton Gate (FA Cup game 2-2) when two sets of Police Officers rode their horses at us, effectively kettling (SP??) into a lane with high red brick walls either side of us. If we hadn't pushed a wall down, there would have been deaths that day as well.

I'm sure the police were not totally responsible for the tragedy but the cover up was despicable and justice should be served.

Agree about the Sun as well, no football fan should ever buy that rag, what they tried to do was vile.
 

meetoo

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meetoo":2hoybfy7 said:
Green Rhino":2hoybfy7 said:
I see that the jury has reached a decision on all 14 counts, including - apparently by majority (i.e. not unanimously) re the actions of the Chief Constable, David Duckenfield)

see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... versy.html

The Coroner has said that the verdicts will be announced tomorrow (26th April).

This is a huge day for our sport, and I really pray that the families of the 96 get justice.

Would it be OK to leave this thread on the main board for a few days, given its importance to all members of the football family? Thanks.

Bear in mind it also includes the behaviour of the fans....

Was that even brought up?

It certainly wasn't mentioned in the media coverage of the inquests. I've watched the updates while they've reported on the ongoing process and I noted throughout that the actions of authorities have bern reported but the actions of the fans got nothing.

Maybe the former was more 'newsworthy' but in nothing i've seen or heard from the inquest reporting did I get a sense of my experience of going to football matches in the 80's. Health and safety back then was an afterthought by modern standards but the general behaviour of fans in and around grounds was appalling by modern standards.

No doubt some retired police officers and stadium officials will get hung out to dry but I wonder over the years what's been going through the minds of the thousands of Liverpool fans who turned up late, many without tickets who barged through that gate. Whether it was opened rightly or wrongly is one thing, knowing your selfish actions on the day contributed to deaths must sit heavy on the mind.

Maybe over the decades a revisionist outlook has come to the fore, much like in the media reporting it.

Yes, the fans contribution is one of the factors in question.
 
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I can't think of a single catastrophic incident that has occurred since WWII that has garnished so many inquiries. Maybe it's just me but I thought the inquest had finished years ago and can't help thinking that any verdict that didn't completely absolve LFC fans of any wrong doing was almost going to be contested.
 
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The police carry a huge amount responsibility for this awful tragedy but I don't think anybody who attended football matches back then will ever accept that the Liverpool fans were blameless, in fact far from it. And why the inquest, the events are well documented we all know very well what and how it happened.
 
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esmer":versqkp1 said:
The police carry a huge amount responsibility for this awful tragedy but I don't think anybody who attended football matches back then will ever accept that the Liverpool fans were blameless, in fact far from it. And why the inquest, the events are well documented we all know very well what and how it happened.

Well, you say that but everyone's view remains a partial one, based upon what media you read/watch, who you know, what your views are etc. The point of this inquest is to establish the totality of what happened and to hold to account those who were responsible, leading to a judicial process if required.

A few home truths and handed down wisdom are a far cry from justice.
 

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esmer":kmdklreg said:
The police carry a huge amount responsibility for this awful tragedy but I don't think anybody who attended football matches back then will ever accept that the Liverpool fans were blameless, in fact far from it. And why the inquest, the events are well documented we all know very well what and how it happened.

Whatever the actions of arriving Liverpool fans were, there were people (ie the organisers and the police) whose duty it was to manage the safety of those attending and they failed. Duckingfield may have been the officer in charge but those ranked higher in my view were equally, if not more responsible in that they appointed a match commander who was not professionally suitable and who had not been properly trained for the role.
 

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Lundan Cabbie":36g2bie9 said:
esmer":36g2bie9 said:
The police carry a huge amount responsibility for this awful tragedy but I don't think anybody who attended football matches back then will ever accept that the Liverpool fans were blameless, in fact far from it. And why the inquest, the events are well documented we all know very well what and how it happened.

Whatever the actions of arriving Liverpool fans were, there were people (ie the organisers and the police) whose duty it was to manage the safety of those attending and they failed. Duckingfield may have been the officer in charge but those ranked higher in my view were equally, if not more responsible in that they appointed a match commander who was not professionally suitable and who had not been properly trained for the role.
Whilst not supporting the organisers/Police actions I really don't think the answer is so simplistic as to blame one "side" or another. It is ironic however that when the Police use measures to "manage safety" such as "kettling", escorting fans from a pub to a ground etc. that so many fans complain about the Police actions.... Just a thought :)