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When people talk about the "hard men" from years ago the two most familiar names that come up seem to be Norman Hunter and Chopper Harris. Well, Dave Mackay, who passed away yesterday, was as tough as the both of them - the difference was that he played within the rules. We once had a centre forward called George Kirby who made a habit of pole-axing people. Jack Charlton was scared to death of Kirby and Hunter is on record as saying he was not keen on mixing it with George. Kirby made his debut for Southampton against Chelsea and within minutes of the kick off he had gone straight through Harris and left him in a heap on the ashes around the Dell pitch. He had told Terry Paine before kick off that he was going to soften up Harris for him. However, a year before when Argyle played Spurs in the fourth round of the FA Cup Kirby flattened Danny Blanchflower straight from the kick-off. It was quite noticeable that he never once tried the same tactic with Dave Mackay.
 
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Dave Mackay and Tony Book, then with Man City, shared the Footballer of the Year award in 1969. Two great players, tough but fair in the way they played.

There is a superb photo somewhere of Mackay holding Billy Bremner of Dirty Leeds fame, by the scruff of his neck. By the look on Bremner's face he clearly got the message that kicking people in Mackay's team wasn't a smart thing to do.
 
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Well before my time but I know a little about Dave Mackay, mainly due to some research I did after watching the Damned United, cracking film that, need to watch it again sometime.
 
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George Willis":n0r67b9u said:
Dave Mackay and Tony Book, then with Man City, shared the Footballer of the Year award in 1969. Two great players, tough but fair in the way they played.

There is a superb photo somewhere of Mackay holding Billy Bremner of Dirty Leeds fame, by the scruff of his neck. By the look on Bremner's face he clearly got the message that kicking people in Mackay's team wasn't a smart thing to do.
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This one

https://www.google.com/search?q=photo+d ... B468%3B286

One of the best football photos ever.
 
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I listened to the author of Dave Mackay's autobiograhy yesterday on Talksport. He said that Mackay hated that photo as it portrayed him as a bully, one thing he certainly wasn't. It appears that it was his first game back after a broken leg and Bremner had kicked him hard in the exact spot.
 
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andyr1963":3cg6vdbi said:
George Willis":3cg6vdbi said:
Dave Mackay and Tony Book, then with Man City, shared the Footballer of the Year award in 1969. Two great players, tough but fair in the way they played.

There is a superb photo somewhere of Mackay holding Billy Bremner of Dirty Leeds fame, by the scruff of his neck. By the look on Bremner's face he clearly got the message that kicking people in Mackay's team wasn't a smart thing to do.
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This one

https://www.google.com/search?q=photo+d ... B468%3B286

One of the best football photos ever.
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Definitely A great photo.

Mackay was undoubtedly one of the legendary 'hard but fair' type players of which there were few in all honesty - some were just out and out dirty and have been somehow 'softened'a bit in terms of reputation down the years. Unfortunately, the modern game would not suit them as most of the over scrutinised refs today would have little option to book them for just about every challenge.
 
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George Willis":281g5gzo said:
Dave Mackay and Tony Book, then with Man City, shared the Footballer of the Year award in 1969. Two great players, tough but fair in the way they played.

There is a superb photo somewhere of Mackay holding Billy Bremner of Dirty Leeds fame, by the scruff of his neck. By the look on Bremner's face he clearly got the message that kicking people in Mackay's team wasn't a smart thing to do.
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Bremner was a dirty little bstrd as it goes, but could play too. One of his midfield 'partners in crime' was the gifted Irishman Johnny Giles, a superb ball playing No 10. Leeds, under Revie, had developed a quite clever rotation system of 'taking one for the team' in terms of bookings and sendings-off having less impact, especially when it came to suspensions. This goes a long way to explaining the dislike of Leeds that exists to this day. Anyway, apparently the otherwise sublime to watch Johnny Giles was possibly feared more than the legendary hardmen Bremner, Hunter and Charlton.

Finally, Ron Harris's (his brother Allan played for Argyle of course) nickname of 'Chopper' was originally nothing to do with his tackling, but rather his tackle as it was to do with the size of his schlong.

Which brings us round to a radio phone-in, and a young Janner maid's enquiry about Billy Rafferty's appendage.
 
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Tyhee_Slim":2423w0cc said:
George Willis":2423w0cc said:
Dave Mackay and Tony Book, then with Man City, shared the Footballer of the Year award in 1969. Two great players, tough but fair in the way they played.

There is a superb photo somewhere of Mackay holding Billy Bremner of Dirty Leeds fame, by the scruff of his neck. By the look on Bremner's face he clearly got the message that kicking people in Mackay's team wasn't a smart thing to do.
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Bremner was a dirty little bstrd as it goes, but could play too. One of his midfield 'partners in crime' was the gifted Irishman Johnny Giles, a superb ball playing No 10. Leeds, under Revie, had developed a quite clever rotation system of 'taking one for the team' in terms of bookings and sendings-off having less impact, especially when it came to suspensions. This goes a long way to explaining the dislike of Leeds that exists to this day. Anyway, apparently the otherwise sublime to watch Johnny Giles was possibly feared more than the legendary hardmen Bremner, Hunter and Charlton.

Finally, Ron Harris's (his brother Allan played for Argyle of course) nickname of 'Chopper' was originally nothing to do with his tackling, but rather his tackle as it was to do with the size of his schlong.

Which brings us round to a radio phone-in, and a young Janner maid's enquiry about Billy Rafferty's appendage.
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What a thoroughly disrespectful post when the theme is paying respect to Dave Mackay's memory.
 
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