Nothing wrong with a bit of horseplay Micky.

Ah, if that's true then you've just answered a question that I've been wanting to ask for ages.

I disagree Thai and hope Tony does not face a difficult time at the first PAS Board meeting simply because I would hope that the members of the board of which myself and others have voted for remained focused on the job they were elected to do. The PAS Board has been formed to oversee the goings on at the club not the goings on in the internet world. Should Tony decide to stay on as a PAS Board member then I would hope that the other members of said board could remain profesional and carry on with the task in hand and leave any online stand-offs at the door.

As for ATD, having read comments about myself and having read comments made about other people from varying positions at the club whether it be members of staff or just fellow supporters and having seen little done about these comments either by the site moderators or other members of the site, ATD is a site I would rather not associate myself with, that is my opinion others have their own views and I suppose it can come down to the sort of person the site is aimed at but my stance on ATD is of discontent. That isn't to say I am against anyone and everyone that uses ATD or anything and everything on the site, there are some decent enough people on there (from what I know of them on the internet) and some interesting comments made about a vareity of subjects however there are certain individuals over there that shape the overall culture of the site to something I do not wish to be involved in. As I said that is my opinion I do read ATD now and then but I see it as one of those things that is fine for some people but just not to my taste in its current state.

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I too would hope the PASB has better things to talk about, but short of ignoring the stupidity of one of it's elected members it'll have to.

It's a bit like the Andrew Mitchell saga really. I'm sure he felt it was a fuss about nothing, a view he was entitled to hold. I'm sure Cameron wished it would just go away too. But when the whole credibility and attitude of the collective is called into question by the actions of the individual, eventually, inevitably, by resignation or expulsion, the individual WILL go.

As a fanbase we should be working together to move forward, not bickering and finger pointing over absolute sh*t for personal reasons.

Cohesion beats division all ends up. That's why the quicker you offer your resignation the less you taint the PASB and the quicker the PASB can get on with being associated with the very best of Argyle, not the dubious trash you falsely but wilfully associated Argyle with.

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*In response to comments made on ATD

Very good Andy Symons and for somebody that has "read and re-read" my post you have done an amazing job in referring to points that I didn't actually make. In no way am I defending what Tony Chowell/Hooper has done with his new found "power" and I am certainly not sticking up for one of the boys. I actually happen to feel that Tony has made a poor decision in this instance, certainly as a newly elected representative of the fan base he hasn't exactly made the best start in representing those who voted for him. I however chose not to include this in my earlier post because those who had posted before me had done a satisfactory job in summing up my feelings towards Tony's recent outburst. My one and only point made with regards to Tony's recent posting was that the PASB as a collective should be looking at the issues in hand and leave the fan bases disapproval with one member to the fan base itself. If by the time the first meeting of the PASB has already begun bickering amongst itself what hope does it stand of communicating with the club as a collective board?

As for the comments made about the grammar of my earlier post and your perception of me, I will simply decline your invitation to play any such point scoring game you wish to involve me in.

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Oh FFS how childish does messageboard merry-go-round have to become? You've gone over to ATD to read up and then come back here to respond?

Why not answer them there, better still if they're such pariahs why go there in the first place? This whole idiotic saga started with someone who hates ATD going to ATD and then, quel sur-fekkin-prise, was offended by what he saw.

It's like you guys fancy them or something, you're fascinated, like moths to the flame you can't resist..... I swear Argyle fans are rapidly disappearing up their own ars*holes.

Live and let live, this feuding is sooooo fekkin' childish.

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This was a discussion based around Tony's opinion on comments made on ATD and so I visited ATD to hear their side of the story and have been doing so as the saga has panned out. I found comments attacking me as a poster for a view that I did not hold and felt the need to clarify my position as I may not have done the best job in putting my point across in my first post. I did not see any reason to join the other site as I do not wish to post anything further than my previous response, it was simply easier for me to issue my response on here than it was to go through the registration process over there to post one comment when it is clear that members of ATD are reading this thread anyway.

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If you haven't already had enough of me on Pasoti, there's always Twitter - @Ollieargyle9

Should ATD members have made the Jokes? Probably not
Should this thread have been Created? Probably not
Is it a matter that the whole of Pasoti needs to know about? Probably not....

I agree that the meeting should not be awkward or difficult, Tony has been voted for a board which oversee's the running of the club. Yes the thread was a bad idea, maybe deal with it in a different way next time, and look ahead towards the PASB meeting. If people on that forum want to make jokes which may seem a bit "too far" then it is an issue that the moderators on ATD should deal with, not the population of Pasoti. No "digs" being thrown here towards anyone, in my opinion I think this matter needs to be dropped ASAP and all attentions re-directed towards the actions of the PASB.

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........like I say, I'm sure Cameron felt likewise over plebgate SG. Time is a great healer but it remains to be seen how much damage this does to PASB credibility and universal representation.

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Mr Ed?

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A great trait of the British is being able to make humour out of tragedy, to find comfort in laughing in the face of adversity,despair and duress.

There's a difference between offending and being offensive. Offending is treading on the edges of peoples' moral compasses, Diana, AIDS, Ethiopian famine etc. - unavoidable tragedies that we as individuals all feel no end of pain and sympathy for. But at the end of the day, can find humour and light in a good light hearted joke, which doesn't in any way diminish the pain and sympathy we feel for the victims.

Being offensive is purposely driving hatred and prejudicial views under the banner of comedy. As people, we have a good sense of when a joke is potentially offending and when it is offensive. Racist jokes are offensive, purposely hateful and purposefully mocking and offensive. Jokes about Munich from Liverpool fans, or Hillsborough from Man Utd fans. Once you know about peoples' views, perspectives and prejudices, you get an instinct for whether a joke is offending or intentionally offensive.

And to summarise, you are so wide of the mark with this one Tony you really need to reconsider your platform. No-one finds the literal thought of a paedophile abusing a victim funny. No-one is laughing at the victims, using jokes to channel their hatred and prejudices. The jokes are coming from the spontonaiety of the situation, like you say with Michael Jackson, catholic priests and so on.

To draw a tenuous link between Argyle, Pasoti, AtD or whatever, to the furthering of humiliating the victims of paedophile abuse is totally uncalled for, when what has been written is no more than what has been sent in texts and told between workmates all across the country.

My last point is this - when people elected you a fans representative, I'm sure the position meant representing the fans and not yourself and your own views? Who are you 'representing' here exxactly, to be pestering politicians under your elected title? And what part of the role means telling fans what they should and shouldn't find funny, and what they should and shouldn't find offensive?

Tony,

The other day I was absent mindedly surfing the internet, as you do & typed in 'Argyle Porn' by accident into the google thing (it was an accident you see, I certainly wasn't trying to 'get off' or anything like that).

Anyway, there were loads of rude stuff and prominantly, on the internet, these sites were on show, for all to see and they had Argyle in the name! Alongside the rude stuff!

I, and I know you will support me here, am shocked, shocked and disgusted, shocked, disgusted and outraged.

What may any young fan think if they accidently type those words into an unsuspecting search engine? That our great club is some sort of conduit for a porn empire? That behind the (much missed) Moanflower terrace there is a den of inequity masqueradeing as a football club?

The potential audience for these, so called 'sites', is millions & this can not continue to go unchallenged!

I hope you will join me in loudly delcaring....


Down with this sort of thing!

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Funny, when I googled Argyle Porn, it just said "did you mean going down?"

We might just turn this thread around, folks.

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